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Re: The Goals of XML at 25, and the one thing that XML nowneed

• From: Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie>
• To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
• Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 23:56:17 +0100

On 18/07/2021 23:44, Arjun Ray wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:52:27 +0200, Marcus Reichardt wrote:
> 
> | I guess the fixation on JSON by the XML community is because JSON ate
> | XML's lunch in lucrative enterprise integration, so to speak. 
> 
> Bingo.

XML was first in line at the lunch counter but it turned out to be the
wrong meal.

> [...] Text interchange, XML's original calling, fell by the wayside.

Actually not: it's alive and well and living in the publishing industry
where it belongs. And in Humanities Computing.

On 19/07/2021 02:32, Rick Jelliffe wrote:
> Forget [...]

Yes, lots of stuff that should never have been allowed out without a minder.

> [...] industrial users of XML, the very ones who had initiated the
> development of XML, never got onside and so it flopped: I believe
> that the reason was that without public entities, it was not
> practical: the straw that broke the camel's back.
Possibly, but at the time, ISO 10646 / Unicode was incomplete and widely
unsupported.

> Now, of course, I do have many other pet things I would have loved
> to see added or removed.

We all have our own :-)

On 19/07/2021 19:23, Gavin Nicol wrote:
> ... and don't forget that XML also inherited all the baggage of
> schema, RDF, etc. etc. which seriously skewed perceptions, even
> though it was guilt by association.

I think all of those came after XML. But yes, they are unwanted baggage.

> I've often thought it'd be interesting to try and push XML back into
> the browser. 

<plug>
Come to my talk at Balisage on rendering XML with CSS in the browser :-)
</plug>

Peter

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