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Re: (off topic) Re: Re: Balisage 2017
- From: Patrick Durusau <patrick@durusau.net>
- To: Rick Jelliffe <rjelliffe@allette.com.au>
- Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 10:43:53 -0500
Rick,
I too like to think that markup folks and Balisage in particular are
very close to the levers of power in America, so that any discomfort
on their part is immediately transmitted to the halls of power.
The older I get, the less I think that is really the case.
American immigration policy has been a shuffle board of cruelty
since 1917 at least so the current hue and outcry leaves me somewhat
perplexed. Oh, I find it highly objectionable, stupid, cruel, all
the usual adjectives, but the outrage is a little late in coming.
I remember personally cases where refugees were sent back to Somalia
because the US and Russia had switched sides between Somalia and
Ethiopia.
My point remains that taking symbolic action against the death star
that adversely impacts my friends isn't part of my agenda.
Other people make other choices for reasons that seem valid to them.
Hope you are having a great week!
Patrick
On 01/30/2017 09:43 AM, Rick Jelliffe
wrote:
[OFF TOPIC]
Hmmm, if you cannot use moral considerations in
deciding whether to attend a conference in country X or country
Y, when can you use them? I am not convinced that the dangers of
being a comic prude and hypocrit (by making pointless responses
out of vague umbrage) are worse than the danger of not caring.
My thinking is that America is a democracy (hooray
for that), and people, even people of goodwill, act largely out
of self interest. So for outsiders to influence America, there
needs to be an aggregate realization by US citzens that their
self interest will indeed be effected adversely if their
government acts in ways repugnant to what friends and neighbours
consider hard-won international norms. This is not about
punishment, nor antagonism towards America if course, it is to
feed information into the democracy.
If outside countries had been stronger in my country
(Australia)'s use of child abuse as an instrument of government
immigration policy, for example, multiple lives may not have
been destroyed. If there had been a concerted effort 'we will
not holiday in Australia while there are children behind bars in
tropical hellholes without review or processing, being denied
prompt medical treatment, watching weekly suicide attempts and
men sewing theor lips together' then the government would have
extra pressure on it from the tourism industry. The 'get tough'
policies that treat peopke as pawns is noxious, and US needs to
avoid my county's success in it. (Supposedly, there are now no
children in that kind of detention, btw, after years of govt
stalling.)
Regards
Rick
(On the issue of 'solidarity' isnt it the attitude of
the Good Samaritan?)
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Patrick Durusau
patrick@durusau.net
Technical Advisory Board, OASIS (TAB)
Editor, OpenDocument Format TC (OASIS), Project Editor ISO/IEC 26300
Co-Editor, ISO/IEC 13250-1, 13250-5 (Topic Maps)
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