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Re: ISO/IEC 19757-3:2016 Schematron second edition?

  • From: Lauren Wood <lauren@textuality.com>
  • To: "xml-dev@lists.xml.org" <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
  • Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 14:35:43 -0700

Re:  ISO/IEC 19757-3:2016 Schematron second edition?
Schematron is also used in healthcare (HL7's CDA document format is
XML) for validity checks that XML Schema doesn't support.

Lauren

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Eliot Kimber <ekimber@contrext.com> wrote:
> Those of us who use Oxygen to work on DITA documents depend very heavily
> on the Schematrons that validate the large number of DITA rules that can't
> be codified in a DTD.
>
> Cheers,
>
> E.
>
> ----
> Eliot Kimber, Owner
> Contrext, LLC
> http://contrext.com
>
>
>
>
> On 5/19/16, 12:07 PM, "Tommie Usdin" <btusdin@mulberrytech.com> wrote:
>
>>I hadn¹t thought about it that way but I agree with Simon: Schematron
>>(and the logic/mechanism that drives it) have enormous potential.
>>
>>Schematron is seriously cool - and (at least in the tiny pond I swim in)
>>growing in importance.
>>
>>Rick: I doubt that you hear this often so I¹ll say it agin: well done!
>>
>>‹ Tommie
>>
>>
>>> On May 19, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Simon St.Laurent <simonstl@simonstl.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>> Seconded!
>>>
>>> In the long run, I think Schematron may well be the XML project's
>>>greatest technical legacy to the world.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/19/2016 8:08 AM, Dave Pawson wrote:
>>>> Thanks Rick for
>>>> a) coming up with Schematron - simple when explained well,
>>>> horrendously complex until then.
>>>> b) the work you've put in to get it to ISO.
>>>>
>>>> It's slowly disappearing into the woodwork, as is XML, just a nice
>>>> tool to use when needed.
>>>> IMHO a vote of confidence. So bloody useful it should not be allowed
>>>>to die.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Dave P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 May 2016 at 12:53, Rick Jelliffe <rjelliffe@allette.com.au>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> The 2006 edition of schematron came out in 2006, but it was largely
>>>>>based on
>>>>> Schematron circa 2003.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 2007 I put out a request for suggestions to the public
>>>>>
>>>>>http://archive.oreilly.com/pub/post/what_else_should_schematron_ha.html
>>>>>
>>>>> In 2008 I submitted my ideas to the ISO group. You can hear the audio
>>>>> through the link. I requested more comments from the Schematron mail
>>>>>list
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> http://www.eccnet.com/pipermail/schematron/2008-October/000061.html
>>>>> I had implemented most of the changes in the Schematron.com version.
>>>>>
>>>>> In 2010 I made a draft revision, and asked the community for comments.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/public-draft-of-next-generatio.htm
>>>>>l
>>>>>
>>>>> The Working Group submitted it to international voting. It was
>>>>>accepted with
>>>>> conditional revisions by Japan on a particular explanatory issue
>>>>>relating to
>>>>> predicate logic.
>>>>>
>>>>> At this stage, it stalled. [[I found it impossible to find anyone in
>>>>> Australia familiar enough with predicate logic syntax to get the
>>>>>parts that
>>>>> Japan was concerned about right: I finally found a prof at UNSW who
>>>>>would
>>>>> help, but I had conked out: it took multiple years to recover from my
>>>>> pericardial surgeries. My hard disk and my new backup drive failed,
>>>>>so I
>>>>> lost my sources: Murphy's law. Access to Schematron.com fell into a
>>>>>black
>>>>> hole as an ISP changed (no drama, but no resolution still) and I
>>>>>needed to
>>>>> concentrate on rebuilding my life: I think I worked pretty hard for
>>>>>the
>>>>> first decade of Schematron  from 1999 on Schematron, especially
>>>>>trying to
>>>>> list on my blog various techniques that otherwise someone might
>>>>>patent,
>>>>> more work than I could do in the second decade.  (I have worked on
>>>>>using
>>>>> Schematron for three very large multi-year projects though: so it is
>>>>>still
>>>>> in my life.)]]
>>>>>
>>>>> I did move the code to google.com but this needs to get moved to
>>>>>gitlab.
>>>>>
>>>>> ISO standards are renewed every ten years. So the version that ISO has
>>>>> adopted as the 2016 standard is the 2010 revision. Hurray! I am often
>>>>> surprised where it is used, and thAt it really has a good life of its
>>>>>own
>>>>> without any push by me. For example, procurement : PEPPOL BIS v1-
>>>>>optional ‹
>>>>> PEPPOL | Pan-European Public Procurement Online.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally it is out: and a very big thanks to Murata-san and the WG for
>>>>>taking
>>>>> over and seeing it through  when I could not. And a bigger apology
>>>>>that I
>>>>> could not complete the last steps of the Editor's job as committed.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are looking at other extensions that build on Schematron: the
>>>>>two
>>>>> biggies are UBL code lists and W3CQuickFix.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Rick
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14/05/2016 1:25 AM, "Tony Graham" <tgraham@antenna.co.jp> wrote:
>>>>>> I found out today that a second edition of ISO Schematron was
>>>>>>published
>>>>>> in January: https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/24049
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - Is there a publicly available version of the standard, as there is
>>>>>>    for the first edition [1]?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Buying it from ISO comes out at about EUR 4 per page, but if you
>>>>>>    shop around, you can get it for nearly twice that [2].
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - Are the schemas for Schematron and SVRL publicly available?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    I'm told that SVRL now allows rich and foreign elements and
>>>>>>    attributes in failed-assert and successful-report, but that's
>>>>>>    all that I know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - Are there updated XSLT stylesheets available for working with
>>>>>>    second-edition Schematron?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony Graham.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Senior Architect
>>>>>> XML Division
>>>>>> Antenna House, Inc.
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Skerries, Ireland
>>>>>> tgraham@antenna.co.jp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html
>>>>>> [2] http://shop.bsigroup.com/ProductDetail/?pid=000000000030219663
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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