Re: The Allure of Gothic Markup

From: Uche Ogbuji <uche@ogbuji.net>
To: David Lee <dlee@calldei.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:10:55 -0600

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On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 2:57 PM, David Lee <dlee@calldei.com> wrote:

My personal (today) opinion is that the Gothic Romance is over romantisized.

Simon is not for a single, solitary instant in his paper talking of Gothic Romanticism. That is a different era altogether from the Gothic Architecture that Simon discusses via Ruskin.

Those "flying buttresses" were added decades or centuries later because the cathedral was going to fall down,
but later were viewed as part of the art ...

I'm not sure what "flying buttresses" have to do with anything. Are you actually responding to Simon's paper (as the headers suggest), or some other matter altogether?

Plus comparing architecture to markup I think is a catwalk.
Architecture has to follow natures laws ... those are implicit ... The building has to hold up to gravity and decay and use.
Those things are a given. But to compare to XML with schema ... I would argue that Schema is the natural law.
It imposes those things which have to be upheld ( the building still stands under gravity, it can hold a congregation of X,
it has a ceiling hight of Y , the walls dont fall down, it costs less then $X) It keeps the tempature above YdegC .. It doesnt stink of mold.

So in the innumerable cases where there are multiple schema languages to cover the same subject area (TEI vs DocBook to give just one example) you are saying there are multiple laws of nature? Different values for Newton's gravitational constant, maybe? For the speed of light?

To claim an equivalence to gothic architecture and schema-less XML to me seems nonsensical.

What you say above seems much more nonsensical, even in its own internal logic.

Surely there is a range of constraints .... but to claim gothic architecture had no constraints is just plain silly.

Schemata are not the only form of constraints in markup. The markup standards themselves are constraints, and so on down to the von Neumann model. Can you offer a quote where Simon or anyone *he* quoted in his paper said Gothic architecture had no constraints?

If it had no constraints it would be a Escher painting, not a building.

Even Escher paintings have constraints, so I think you've seized on the wrong set of flails altogether.

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