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RE: Memorable quotes from Balisage 2013

• From: David Lee <dlee@calldei.com>
• To: Simon St.Laurent <simonstl@simonstl.com>, "xml-dev@l..."<xml-dev@l...>
• Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:48:15 +0000

I didn't hear the open source thing either (atleast the same way).

My *personal* take on this "XML is dead" hydra ... Is that XML is no longer 'sexy'.
The new generation(s) want to build exciting web pages/apps.  
In my ancient collage days ... the west coast collage grads were interested in Networking and the east coast grads were exited about AI.
Or maybe it was the other way around.
But now web pages/apps are exciting.   Is it a surprise that is where people who want to do exciting things spend their time?
It doesn't bother me.

Look to other fields of science or engineering.
You get in the Nightly  news if you have a new Dark Matter paper,  but if you're working on optimizing particulate flow of grains in a conveyer you won't be noticed except maybe in Corn Monthly.
But who is going to feed the world ?




-----Original Message-----
From: Simon St.Laurent [mailto:simonstl@simonstl.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 11:24 AM
To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: Re:  Memorable quotes from Balisage 2013

On 8/9/13 5:35 PM, Costello, Roger L. wrote:
> 3. The value of open source has been oversold. Proprietary is about 
> taking responsibility of the product (contrast with open source, where 
> no one takes responsibility).

I didn't hear this message at this show at all.

The closest I heard to that was in this talk:

<http://www.balisage.net/Proceedings/vol10/html/Patterson01/BalisageVol10-Patterson01.html>

Though brief, that was more an exploration of how the XML ecosystem has a whole has stalled relative to the surrounding ecosystems.  Much of that conversation was about open source, but it certainly wasn't about open source failing so much as the XML community dwindling.

It is entirely possible that this came up in conversations or talks I wasn't in, but the concerns I heard about the XML software ecosystem were about its _overall_ health.

Despite the presence of a few active vendors (oXygen and Antenna House, both of whom seemed very well-received), development in absolute terms has slowed, and compared to say the web ecosystem it has halted.

> 13. People value things they pay for.

Again, I got something different: People value things that work, with a minimum of time invested.  That seemed to be a recurring theme.

Thanks,
--
Simon St.Laurent
http://simonstl.com/

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