Re: RE: There is a serious amount of character encodingconvers

Roger,

Here is a classic post from XML.com that is right in line with the
topic of character encodings that you have been posting about
recently, titled "XML on the web has failed":
http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/07/21/dive.html

It takes some work to really grok the problems the author is
describing, but it is well worth it, I think, and may make your head
spin (or hurt, depending).

I'd be very interested to hear if any of the XML / character encoding
gurus on this list have any comments or links to updates to this
article (which was written in 2004).  I am not sure if the issues the
author describes have been remedied or not.

Chris

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM, David Lee <dlee@calldei.com> wrote:
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> You are writing about character encoding conversions as text moves from
> point to point to point.
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> Is there a parallel with markup? Are there markup conversions as XML moves
> from point to point to point?
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> Are there lessons learned in the character encoding community that could be
> applied to the XML community?
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> Markup is text and has the same problems (and solutions).
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> If we could start over from scratch with what we know now there would be
> less problems.
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> IMHO, my preferred solution is to stick to a single encoding everywhere (I
> vote for UTF8 ... as it handles all Unicode codepoints).
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> The next step is to make sure *every single link in the chain* uses that
> encoding.
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> This is amazingly difficult even in "modern" languages like Java where the
> default behavior of converting code points to strings is to use
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> the *system default encoding* which is always an unknown.   Even in pure
> java you have to track every single point that a byte array is converted to
> a String and visa versa,
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> and explicitly set the encoding.   (or guarantee the system encoding is
> correct).
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> Then you have to manage all places the data enters and leaves the program
> and make sure it's in the right encoding.
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> Then  you have to make sure all places that *store* the data (like a
> database) don't muck with it.
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> XML Itself cannot solve this problem alone as an XML document is  only the
> payload ...  However the XML Tools tend to be a bit more mature about
> dealing with this.
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> But not always.
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> Maybe in another 30  years more we will have migrated all our tools to be
> consistant about encodings.
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> David A. Lee
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> dlee@calldei.com
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> http://www.xmlsh.org
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