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And again, it is a difference that makes no difference to the offended. What does no one a service is a panglossian approach to very real problems. Lawyers will work out the details of litigations. Computer scientists with a moral compass may wish to work on solutions to the problems they created. Your practical point of view is limited. If you have an evaluation copy of say "The Hunger Games" you likely have a watermarked id'd copy that if it leaves your possession will be traced. On the other hand, you won't get it back and the people who steal it won't desist. As the value of a thing goes up, so does the profit for distributing copies of it illegally. That is the situation the entertainment industry finds itself in. The sea change is because the technology is improving, the profits possible from even more expensive to produce media are increasing. First it was code and text, then pictures, then audio and now movies. Digital watermarking and fingerprinting aren't enough. We need a change from the leaders of the web communities with respect to piracy. Is that political or is it simply good manners, common sense and respect? The entertainment industry has had enough. Several prominent musicians and composers that were prominently touted in the London Olympics sent a letter to your prime minister about enforcement. Pirate sites are going to be blacked out. If an ISP serves them, they lose their license. Customers of ad vendors are going to be humiliated publicly and if the ad vendors are commercially licensed, they are going to be prosecuted. Tim Bray wants to call it a "censorship code" because some government might use it badly. They might. On the other hand, do they have a choice given the same technology that enables the pirates was created by the same people who will cry about censorship? They may want to make that choice a bit more wisely before their names go next to the names of the companies that aid and profit by piracy... publicly, loudly and with all the fanfare social media can muster. At some point somewhere if not here in this oh so delicately cloistered list of the easily offended because well they got theirs, you will be looking at a very damaged internet and web of technology so unable to function that we may as well go back to snail mail and UPS. A pale horse is riding in and hell will follow. Thanks. I have what I needed. len -----Original Message----- From: Michael Kay [mailto:mike@saxonica.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:35 AM To: Len Bullard Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org Subject: Re: Principles for an Ethical and Sustainable Internet - XML I didn't say copyright infringement is right or that it's defensible. I said it was not theft. There are very good reasons why the law distinguishes different offences (and in particular, why it distinguishes civil from criminal offences), and it does no-one a service to pretend that all offenses are equivalent. From a practical point of view they are different as well. If some-one steals my laptop, it costs me money to replace it. If someone uses an evaluation license of my software for something that's outside the terms of an evaluation license, they are getting a free ride, but nine times out of ten it's probably not costing me anything because if I asked them to either desist or to pay up, they would choose to desist. Michael Kay Saxonica On 29/08/2012 15:22, Len Bullard wrote: > When you steal a man's livelihood and reputation, it hardly matters to > him if you run over a dog speeding away from the scene of the crime. > > Let's put the Saxon libraries on an ad-supported site that sells > pornography and fake pharmaceuticals. We'll be sure to put your name > on the hyperlinks next to the pictures of the big breasts and the fake > Viagra. > > It's theft. If the lawyers want a different venue, they can have one. > But I do think it better to find ways to protect property than to > destroy servers because weaseling is more important than property if it > wins a debate on the Internet. > > len > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Kay [mailto:mike@saxonica.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:38 AM > To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org > Subject: Re: Principles for an Ethical and Sustainable > Internet - XML > > > On 29/08/2012 13:54, Len Bullard wrote: >> A difference that makes no difference. Weasel speak. >> >> > It makes a vast difference. It affects how and where cases are tried, > what standards of proof are required, what evidence is acceptable in > court, what the penalties are for wrongdoers, whether or not prosecutors > > consider it in the public interest to prosecute, ... you name it. > > You might as well say there's no difference between speeding and murder. > > Michael Kay > Saxonica > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS > to support XML implementation and development. To minimize > spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting. > > [Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/ > Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@lists.xml.org > subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@lists.xml.org > List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php > >
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