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RE: XML Conference archives

• From: "Len Bullard" <Len.Bullard@ses-i.com>
• To: "David Lee" <dlee@calldei.com>,"Henry S. Thompson" <ht@i...>,"John Cowan" <cowan@m...>
• Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2012 11:49:04 -0500

And it's been a topic of discussion since before the web was layered
onto the Internet:  how to keep links from snapping.  It was STimBL's
primary insight or compromise in the practice of hypermedia:  let them
snap.  

Specifically in markup, it was discussed in context of the role of the
FPIs.  There is no mystery here; formal registration of names and
service contracts for resource maintenance.  OTW, you are storing
information in the clouds and we all know the song, "As the Clouds Roll
By".

len

-----Original Message-----
From: David Lee [mailto:dlee@calldei.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:01 AM
To: Henry S. Thompson; John Cowan
Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: RE:  XML Conference archives

This really is a key point about the internet.
By its very nature the relationships between URI, URL, and availability
are transient.

Where do we turn to when we want  a real long lasting document
identifier and some measure of commitment to archival ?
Unfortunately that is not what the internet really is ... but it is what
its often used for ... arg.


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David A. Lee
dlee@calldei.com
http://www.xmlsh.org


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry S. Thompson [mailto:ht@inf.ed.ac.uk]
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:51 AM
> To: John Cowan
> Cc: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
> Subject: Re:  XML Conference archives
> 
> John Cowan writes:
> 
> > Henry S. Thompson scripsit:
> >
> >> FAQ, perhaps. . . Anyone know of an online archive of papers from
the
> >> GCA/IDEAlliance XML conference series?
> >> . . .
> >
> > The Internet Archive is your friend here.
> 
> Ah yes -- I use it regularly, but somehow didn't think of it in the
> context of producing the references for an academic paper.  I wonder
> what the acceptability of Archive references will be in times to
> come. . .
> 
> <uninformed_possibly_misinformed_speculation>The Internet Archive has
> quasi-NGO-status by now, in that I believe there is some more-or-less
> official agreement in place giving them some form of special status
> wrt copyright, possibility in return for being willing to curtail
> access in some cases on
> request. . .</uninformed_possibly_misinformed_speculation>.
> 
> ht
> --
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Edinburgh
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forged spam]
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  • XML Conference archives
    • From: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson)
  • Re: XML Conference archives
    • From: John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>
  • Re: XML Conference archives
    • From: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson)
  • RE: XML Conference archives
    • From: David Lee <dlee@calldei.com>