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Re: Cross-domain loading of XML

• From: Olivier Rossel <olivier.rossel@gmail.com>
• To: vojtech.toman@emc.com
• Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 16:42:26 +0100

Web people are really dominated by the "DHTML solves everything" mantra.
They forget about data and semantics, and focus on DOM+JS manipulations.

There is a REEEAAAAL need for the XInclude feature in web development.
Because XInclude is not standardized in the (X)HTML spec,
they implement the feature with  various JS tricks (aka AJAX).
But it is semantically horrible, non-standard, and hardly cross-browser.

The XML community on the other hand has thought a lot about the
XInclude feature.

It seems to me that both communities should work together to port the
XInclude feature to the Web.

For example, the goal could be to standardize and implement a
universal robust xinclude tag in the (X)HTML spec.

Example:
----
...
<div class="menu">
 <xinclude href="/menu.html" pointer="//div[1]">
</div>
...

and magically the menu appears in the browser (and in the DOM).
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO simple !!!!
So semantically clean.
----

It sounds to me much more feasible than fully refactoring XML.


PS: XProc on the client is uberfun, thanks for the link !!!

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM,  <vojtech.toman@emc.com> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Olivier Rossel [mailto:olivier.rossel@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:35 PM
>> To: Mike Sokolov
>> Cc: Elliotte Rusty Harold; Rob Koberg; Uche Ogbuji; Michael Kay; xml-
>> dev@lists.xml.org
>> Subject: Re:  Cross-domain loading of XML
>>
>> All these web developpers' tricks are a poor man's version of XInclude.
>> Please, XML guys, implement and promote XInclude !!!!
>
> ...you mean example 6 here?
>
> http://xmldemo.emc.com:8080/calumet/
>
> (Disclaimer: does not work reliably in all browsers yet and no, it does not do cross-domain loading of XML)
>
> Regards,
> Vojtech
>
> --
> Vojtech Toman
> Consultant Software Engineer
> EMC | Information Intelligence Group
> vojtech.toman@emc.com
> http://developer.emc.com/xmltech
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• References:
  • Cross-domain loading of XML
    • From: Elliotte Rusty Harold <elharo@ibiblio.org>
  • Re: Cross-domain loading of XML
    • From: Mike Sokolov <sokolov@ifactory.com>
  • Re: Cross-domain loading of XML
    • From: Olivier Rossel <olivier.rossel@gmail.com>
  • RE: Cross-domain loading of XML
    • From: <vojtech.toman@emc.com>