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 > <trajectory:initialVelocityVarianceCoefficient>1</> What is the value of this change ? -- Max Toro On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Pete Cordell <petexmldev@codalogic.com> wrote: > When I was first introduced to XML, very much with a data-oriented hat on > where you have lots of small values, my initial response to seeing something > like: > > <trajectory:initialVelocityVarianceCoefficient>1</trajectory:initialVelocityVarianceCoefficient> > > was "are you kidding? Next...". > > But there wasn't really a "Next" then so I've had to keep taking the > medicine and get used to it. I imagine that many deciding between XML and > JSON will have much the same opinion as I did, but they now have the JSON > option. > > I think simply doing the following goes a long way to fixing this: > > <trajectory:initialVelocityVarianceCoefficient>1</> > > I don't think we should go any further. At best we are going to save 3 more > characters, the parser doesn't have to change much to do it as it already > has all the information it needs to fill in the missing end tag for higher > layers if needed, and strings that have significant trailing white space are > properly delimited. > > Pete Cordell > Codalogic Ltd > Interface XML to C++ the easy way using C++ XML > data binding to convert XSD schemas to C++ classes. > Visit http://codalogic.com/lmx/ or http://www.xml2cpp.com > for more info > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ramkumar Menon" > <ramkumar.menon@gmail.com> > To: <xml-dev@lists.xml.org> > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: Fixing what's broke > > >> >> Hey Gurus, >> >> Let me put the question other way around. >> May I ask if the success of XML is attributed to its verbosity? >> >> Introducing terse but complex syntax like skipping/stripping end tags >> sound like 're-engineering' a traffic junction to have no lights and >> assuming everyone understands when to stop/move. >> You save on traffic lights, but your traffic slows down. We can always >> point people to a detailed manual instructing how to operate, but yeah, how >> many humans do that diligently. >> XML is for the general public. Let the humans do their job, and the >> parsers theirs. >> >> >> Ram >> >> 1. Tools help in minimizing the time required to crank out such verbose >> data. This has matured over the last few years. >> 2. Well designed and written XML is not visually challenging. >> 3. Equating terseness and simplicity is tricky. >> 4. In-memory representations can represent the same data in a more terse >> form Binary, Blah and what not! >> 5. With such a broad audience for its consumption, any new NextXML will >> bloat up gradually with requests and requirements. >> 6. Storage is getting cheaper [or am I dreaming?]. Let those tags come in! >> 7. [Joke] It depends on how you look at it. [Imagine yourself wearing >> "Red" lens glasses and staring at a "Green" light at a traffic junction!. >> Honk! Honk! behind you.] >> >> >> >> On 12/9/2010 12:22 PM, Pete Cordell wrote: >>> >>> Original Message From: "Liam R E Quin" >>>>> >>>>> So I'd suggest doing something like: >>>>> >>>>> <Book:Book> >>>>> <Book:Author>John Grisham</> >>>>> <Book:Title>The Case of the Hidden Claw</> >>>>> </Book:Book> >>>> >>>> Maybe I wasn't clear. Suppose I now write, >>>> <Book:Book> >>>> <Book:Title>John Grisham</> >>>> <Book:Author>The Case of the Hidden Claw</> >>>> </Book:Book> >>>> >>>> How are you going to detect my error? >>> >>> I'll confess it did take me a long tome to spot the error. However, I >>> tend to use Visual Studio to edit XML files. I imagine its at the bottom of >>> the food chain, but it does automatically put in the end tag so I'm not sure >>> I would have spotted the error from that. >>> >>> I would also like to believe that my schema would point the error out to >>> me. Please don't go disillusioning me about that :-) >>> >>> Pete Cordell >>> Codalogic Ltd >>> Interface XML to C++ the easy way using C++ XML >>> data binding to convert XSD schemas to C++ classes. >>> Visit http://codalogic.com/lmx/ or http://www.xml2cpp.com >>> for more info >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS >>> to support XML implementation and development. 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