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RE: [Summary] Big hierarchy of XML Schema documents ...which X

• From: "Costello, Roger L." <costello@mitre.org>
• To: "xml-dev@lists.xml.org" <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>
• Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 16:33:41 -0400

Hi Michael,

Sorry for my misunderstanding. Let me be sure that I now understand correctly.  

Consider this XML document:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<Library xmlns="http://www.library.org"
         xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
         xsi:schemaLocation=
                    "http://www.library.org
                     Library.xsd">
    <Books>
        <Book xmlns=http://www.book.org
              xsi:schemaLocation=
                           "http://www.book.org
                            Book.xsd">
                <Title>My Life and Times</Title>
                <Author>Paul McCartney</Author>
                <Date>1998</Date>
                <ISBN>1-56592-235-2</ISBN>
                <Publisher>Macmillan Publishing</Publisher>
        </Book>
        ... 
    </Books>
</Library> 

Xerces-J will not read Book.xsd until it gets to the <Book> element. It will read Library.xsd immediately. Is that correct?

/Roger


From: Michael Glavassevich [mailto:mrglavas@ca.ibm.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 3:43 PM
To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: Re:  [Summary] Big hierarchy of XML Schema documents ... which XML Schema validators bring in the documents on demand?

Roger,

"Costello, Roger L." <costello@mitre.org> wrote on 07/31/2010 01:50:37 PM:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> Thanks to Michael Glavassevich, Michael Kay, and Boris Kolpackov for
> your excellent inputs.
> 
> Here's what I learned (please correct any errors):
> 
> Suppose that your XML Schema imports/includes some XML Schemas, and 
> they import/include some XML Schemas, and so on. Thus, there is a 
> big hierarchy of XML Schema documents.
> 
> When does a validator read the XML Schema documents? Here are two 
> ways that XML Schema validators could be implemented:
> 
> 1. Just-in-time loading (a.k.a. on-demand loading): the validator 
> reads an XML Schema document during instance validation, when a 
> component from the relevant namespace is first encountered.
> 
> 2. Eager loading: all XML Schema documents are (recursively) read 
> prior to validating the XML instance document.

This is quite a different statement than what you originally had and is no longer an accurate description of how / when Xerces-J dynamically loads schemas. There could be multiple schema location hints (i.e. xsi:schemaLocation) in a document and Xerces-J won't load those schema documents unless the validator hits an element, attribute or type which has the target namespace of those schemas. If they don't import each other loading one of them won't cause the others to be loaded. The others might be loaded later if they're needed.

> The following XML Schema validators all use eager loading:
> 
>     SAXON (Java)
> 
>     SAXON (.NET)
> 
>     XERCES (Java)
> 
>     XERCES (C++)
> 
>     XERCES (Perl)
> 
>     LIBXML (Gnome's libxml2)
> 
>     MSXML
> 
>     XSV
> 
> 
> /Roger
> 
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Thanks.

Michael Glavassevich
XML Parser Development
IBM Toronto Lab
E-mail: mrglavas@ca.ibm.com
E-mail: mrglavas@apache.org

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