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RE: XHTML 2 Working Group won't be renewed?

• From: "Jim Tivy" <jimt@bluestream.com>
• To: "'Peter Hunsberger'" <peter.hunsberger@gmail.com>
• Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 15:54:31 -0700

I still disagree if we are developing both a human readable and machine
readable form.  Don't make the human learn n forms - machines are more able
to switch delimiters on the fly than humans.

In this thought exercise ... I need to free myself from my day to day life
of making Xml do real work for end users - that act having some fundamental
problems in itself.

In the new core "ML" perhaps we could:
- go for even less features
- remove the idea of DTDs and DocType all together. 
- reflect on XML Schema, RelaxNg and why DITA went with the class attribute
for its typing.
- make the namespaces part of core.

Of course, all these things could and are being done within the existing
Xml.  I think we need to acknowledge that Xml as concieved is kick ass.  But
core Xml may perhaps still be "bigger" than it needs to be.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Hunsberger [mailto:peter.hunsberger@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 3:04 PM
To: Jim Tivy
Cc: Pete Cordell; XML Developers List
Subject: Re:  XHTML 2 Working Group won't be renewed?

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Jim Tivy<jimt@bluestream.com> wrote:
> Not a good idea for an open interoperatable data format.

If part of the spec is a way to figure out what delimiters are being
used in any given instance, then I'd argue the exact opposite.  I
believe this was the case for SGML (anyone?)

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Hunsberger [mailto:peter.hunsberger@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 7:31 AM
> To: Pete Cordell
> Cc: XML Developers List
> Subject: Re:  XHTML 2 Working Group won't be renewed?
>
>> From: "Michael Kay"
>>>
>>> One problem is that the more universal you want to make it, the more
>>> contexts it has to be unambiguous in: for example XQuery has problems
> with
>>> {uri}local because it already uses "{" extensively.
>>
>> If you get really desperate you could do something Perl-esque where you
>> choose your delimiters.
>
> Didn't SGML allow you to choose your own delimiters (in general)?
>
> --
> Peter Hunsberger
>

-- 
Peter Hunsberger

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  • RE: XHTML 2 Working Group won't be renewed?
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  • Re: XHTML 2 Working Group won't be renewed?
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  • RE: XHTML 2 Working Group won't be renewed?
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  • Re: XHTML 2 Working Group won't be renewed?
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