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 unclear, probably, where I wrote: > > They see a simple view of this to add/remove/edit a a video > instance. I choose not to make it wysiwyg because it would have > complicated things They do see a simple wysiwyg-like view, like a list, to edit, just not how it shows up on a generated HTML page. -Rob On Jun 9, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Robert Koberg wrote: > We use Xopus and custom schemas/XSL to make editing content much > easier for our clients. One recent example is this page: > > http://mli.contentupdates.com/community/summer-programs/ > > There is a content piece in the right, narrow column where there are > 3 videos that use javascript to swap out the video and change the > thumbnail. This content type is used throughout the site, so we > needed it in a resusable way and easy for a non technical person to > edit and add wherever they wanted. It is a relatively complex > interaction for a non technical author/editor to do on their own. > With Xopus and a custom schema/XSL the author edits this template xml: > > <media-player> > > <title>Videos</title> > > <media> > <video> > <identifier>identifier</identifier> > <title>Video Title</title> > <description><p>Video description/info</p></description> > <width>320</width> > <height>240</height> > </video> > <video> > <identifier>identifier</identifier> > <title>Video Title</title> > <description><p>Video description/info</p></description> > <width>320</width> > <height>240</height> > </video> > </media> > > </media-player> > > and don't even know they are using XML, XSL and XML Schema. > > They see a simple view of this to add/remove/edit a a video > instance. I choose not to make it wysiwyg because it would have > complicated things. So they just identify the video (flv name > without the extension which also is used in the thumbnails), the > title, a description and width and height. Makes it pretty simple > (if naming conventions are upheld). > > best, > -Rob > > > > On Jun 9, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Laurens van den Oever wrote: > >>> (b) a transformation model for style that seemed like massive >>> overkill >> >>> compared to the annotation approach of CSS. >>> >>> The way things turned out, these costs pretty much only get >>> inflicted >> on >>> people who have problems difficult enough to make them seem >> worthwhile. >> >> As the vendor of a browser/XSLT based XML editor those people often >> come >> to us. Introducing XML/XSLT at the publishing side of the web only >> makes >> sense if the XML is semantically richer than HTML. And that makes it >> harder to edit than HTML. We focus on the usability of that task. >> >> That said: we see a trend towards XML/XSLT for web publishing. The >> rise >> of Web 2.0 has shifted the large enterprise view of the web from a >> platform for online brochures and references to a strategic marketing >> channel. >> >> With that comes the need for richer-than-html and consistently >> structured content. For instance consider a page like this: >> http://pages.ebay.com/help/account/registration.html >> This page is not very complex, but significantly easier to edit and >> maintain if you have specific XML markup for each section and a XSD/ >> DTD >> to control allowed content. Separating the foldout question XML >> content >> from the browser specific HTML implementation also has huge benefits >> with a plural browser/platform/screensize target audience. >> >> As more and more people have these needs, they will see that XML/ >> XSLT is >> the best technology for rich web content publishing. >> >> Laurens van den Oever >> CEO, Xopus BV >> >> http://xopus.com >> +31 70 4452345 >> KvK 27301795 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Simon St.Laurent [mailto:simonstl@simonstl.com] >> Sent: maandag 8 juni 2009 21:51 >> To: xml-dev@lists.xml.org >> Subject: Re: XML support in browsers? >> >> Andrew Welch wrote: >>>> Ten years later, it's clearer and clearer why XSL didn't take the >>>> Web >> by >>>> storm! I guess I really had nothing to worry about. >>> >>> So what were you worried about - learning XSLT ? >> >> No - I've done that. >> >> I was worried about: >> >> (a) the Web getting a lot harder to learn than it previously was, and >> >> (b) a transformation model for style that seemed like massive >> overkill >> compared to the annotation approach of CSS. >> >> The way things turned out, these costs pretty much only get >> inflicted on >> >> people who have problems difficult enough to make them seem >> worthwhile. >> Even though I sometimes wish XLink had worked out, in general I'm >> pretty happy that "SGML for the Web" wound up "XML for not >> necessarily >> the Web." >> >> -- >> Simon St.Laurent >> http://simonstl.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> >> XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS >> to support XML implementation and development. 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