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Re: Feasibility of "do all application coding in the XML langu

• From: "G. Ken Holman" <gkholman@C...>
• To: XML-Dev Mailing list <xml-dev@l...>
• Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:42:51 -0500

At 2008-12-01 11:06 -0500, Simon St.Laurent wrote:
>Michael Kay wrote:
>>If all the inputs and outputs of the application are in XML, and if the
>>processing is within the capabilities of those languages, then why would you
>>want to do anything else?
>
>Because I think this situation genuinely applies in about 5-10% of 
>actual applications...

I disagree if by "actual applications" you mean "actual applications 
acting on XML documents".

>Please, certainly, promote your excellent tools for those 
>applications - but let's not all get drunk on the prospect of XML 
>data needing XML processing.

I'm not sure that is fair, especially given the level of excellence 
of Mike's tools.  I didn't read his comment at all as boasting.

Too many times in client situations I've delivered an end-to-end XML 
solution to a problem they are having and at the 11th hour some Java 
programmer on the team decides to "just replace this step with a 
simple Java program so that I don't have to invoke an XML processor" 
and messes things up.

The burden of handling XML issues such as character sets and 
well-formedness moves to the programmer when not using XML-tools for 
processing XML documents.

I see a pure XML tool approach to a problem being *safer* than a 
mixed-technology approach to a problem.

And given how well Mike's tools work, it makes delivering 
professional results easy and for many aspects of XML processing 
bulletproof in ways not provided for by using non-XML-native tools.

Unfortunately I cannot say that for all XML tools.  I exploit useful 
XML and XSLT facilities that are not properly supported by many popular tools.

. . . . . . . . . . . . Ken

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