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I'd like to pick up the point about extensibility. David [Carver] suggested that providing non vocabulary owners the opportunity to add [unratified] data structures into a centrally controlled standard can have undesirable outcomes (i.e. damage the viability or benefit of using a standard). I agree, it *can*, but I think we need to consider the motivation of organisations find themselves in this position. First, most particpants in a community standard are IMO motivated to *want* to leverage that standard for B2B exchanges. They typically understand that operating a private data standard for each and every trading partner can be a costly exercise, so are more than happy for a standards body to carry this load. So, the reason for needing a private extension is very often not to subvert the standard, but to address a (potentially temporal) inadequancy (typically related to the speed with which that change can be agreed through whatever process exists). Speeding up the [fully consensual] process would definately help, but isn't always the answer. Why, well agreement by committee nearly always takes a while and absolutely requires all interested parties to particpate. But, in the real world, the particpants have very different priorities and apply their resources accordingly. In my experience organisations will only committ resources to review and debate change proposals when/if they care about them. So if you're asking for a change to a schema that organisation A doesn't implement today, they will very likely take a 'back seat'. Of course the policy for the standards body may be that the absense of comment implies tacit agreement. But nevertheless it puts them in a difficult spot and one which in my exerience they prefer not to be in, that is, a change goes through which they think organisation A will probably object to when they get around to it, thus creating more change churn and the potential for an important contributor breaking away from the standard. So this slows things down ... On the other hand allowing [controlled] extensibility is often a way of encouraging use of the standard, and has the benefit that a private extension may be incorporated into the main body of the standard at a later point in time (when more of the participants *are* interested) - note [controlled] here means doing the extension work WITH some involvement from the standards body so that they are aware of the type of things that participants *are* interested in and which can sometimes help those coming later who want to do something similar. And let us not forget, an organisation explicitly chooses to use a data standard and at any time can choose to 'go private', so IMO disallowing extensibility isn't really a way of controlling participant activity, indeed, that shouldn't be an aim of the standards body and if it turns out that way, then more often than not it will drive people away from using the standard (i.e. if the use of a data standard interferes with a business operating model, the data standard will be dropped). Another reason for extensibility is to allow organisations to carry application specific data around that is required for their individual processing needs. An obvious example is 'enterprise keys', i.e. those pieces of data that you need to successfully update a row on your database. This is one IMO that the central authority should support in the form of an opaque (i.e. that it is only meaningful to the node which inserted it) extensibility areas possibily with some constraints over size (e.g. a single element as Base64 of a maxLength) and rules around it processing (i.e. always return it if present, and always return it as/is). Fraser. On 03/01/2008, David Carver <d_a_carver@y...> wrote: > noah_mendelsohn@u... wrote: > > Actually, I'm not convinced that's always the reason. In many cases, the > > reason you want extensibility is that some core format or business > > document is to be extensible in different ways by different organization. > > So, an entire industry might agree on an extensible invoice or purchase > > order format, with the understanding that individual organizations using > > the document can add their own additional tracking fields and the like. In > > such cases, it would be inappropriate to try and route all the private > > extensions through a central authority, no matter how quick and responsive > > that authority is. > > > Yes, standards organizations like OAGi and UBL fall into this category > as they are going across verticals, so they include an extension > mechanism here. But the problem with extension mechanisms in general is > that it creates on off implementations, and if you are doing B2B > scenarios and many trading partners with multiple implementations, it > makes it counter productive. > > > One of the important dimensions to consider is that some XML languages > > are, for good reasons, evolved completely centrally. Others are evolved > > by a limited number of organizations, sometimes in cooperation, but > > sometimes in competition. It's not at all unusual for one organization to > > pick up a programming language, document format, etc., to change it, > > perhaps in compatible ways or perhaps in other ways, and to promote the > > use of its version(s) in competition with others that are out there. This > > certainly happened with HTML for quite awhile. Finally, as mentioend > > above, some languages are intended from the start for decentralized > > enhancement or evolution. In many cases, those languages prove to be some > > of the most interesting and powerful for users. > > > > All agreed, but again if we focus on B2B issues, and particular the > compatiblity issues that existed and still exist with HTML, you have to > use extensions wisely. Unfortunately, most instances from my experience > when dealing with Industry specific schemas/grammars is that the reason > for the one offs is because members have felt that their particular > requirements couldn't be expressed in the their needed time frame. And > it's been directly related back to the speed at which their requests are > adopted. > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS > to support XML implementation and development. To minimize > spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting. > > [Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/ > Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@l... > subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@l... > List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php > >
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