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Re: <offtopic>Opinions About Cold Fusion</offtopic>

• From: "James Fuller" <james.fuller.2007@g...>
• To: "Len Bullard" <cbullard@h...>
• Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:17:54 +0200

the Allaire guys did some pretty impressive stuff circa 1995...with
CFML .....and lets not forget they were responsible for WDDX. Anything
that stays around for 12 years on the web has a lot going for it and
you are right in assuming .

In the past remember that big companies like BSkyB were doing almost
100% CF development...seems to come in fits and starts; for example I
seem to have gotten a lot of recruiter spam with lots of CF skillset
requests...who knows why the uptick.

As I said in my private post to you, I wouldn't use CF these
days...but I also wouldn't use jsp, ASP.NET (forced by insane clients
with either weapons or platinum...i might)....or anything of the kind
having promised myself 2 years ago to stick with perl as much as
possible (ok I am starting to drift to Objective C, but we will see
where that goes).

there is a comprehensive  list of criticisms at the bottom of
Wikipedia description
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColdFusion

good luck, Jim Fuller

On 3/29/07, Len Bullard <cbullard@h...> wrote:
> My guess about the gig I'm looking at pre-interview is they are doing the
> kinds of things that CF and Dreamweaver do well.  I spent some time at the
> local CompSci library (Barnes and Nobles) this afternoon.  CF and DW are
> basic stuff that was pretty basic when I did it in PFE, so possibly a nice
> clean job to have (come in on time, put on headphones, code pages, take off
> headphones, go home.  Code 3D.  Get up and Repeat.).  I spent the remaining
> time looking at a good OpenGL text.
>
> I was delighted to see a Professional Web 2.0 book with authors who's names
> are regulars on this list.  Cool!
>
> len
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Young -X (natyoung - Artizen at Cisco)
> [mailto:natyoung@c...]
>
> I'd take this a step further and assert that because of specific
> limitation of the cold fusion environment, your attempts to solve
> complex problems using elegant and well known design patterns are often
> going to be foiled.
>
> Completely in my own opinion: In descending order of elegance, languages
> that are popular for web development and suport good coding practices by
> design are:
>
>  - ruby
>  - python
>  - java (using JSP or similar)
>  - perl and .net (tied)
>  - javascript and php (tied)
>  - cold fusion
>  - java (using velocity)
>
>
> ----->Nathan
>
>
>
>
>
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