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Re: XFORMS

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• Subject: Re: XFORMS
• From: "Fraser Goffin" <goffinf@h...>
• Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:31:35 +0000
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I disagree, it not 'irrelevant' its a fact, and most of us that work in a 
commercial enterprise setting have to deal with the practical realities of 
life not the philisophical ideals. As you said '.. If there's a good, free 
client side implementation ....',   and even thats no guarantee.

Personally, I have no particular axe to grind over the use of products from 
any vendor, if the ROI stacks up then its a good candidate for being 
selected. Part of the selection process includes pure costs, others are more 
to do with operational support. IMO, in most cases a product with virtually 
no market traction or support from main-stream vendors is unlikely to be 
selected. Sure we could all spend time developing in-house bespoke 
implementations rather than letting developers and designers get on with 
work that impacts the 'bottom line', but in my organisation at least, that a 
luxury that is seldom available.

I like to muse over (and participate when I have a special interest) all 
manner potential new technologies (for example I developed an implementation 
engine for BPEL4WS (now WS-BPEL) long before any commercial product was 
available), but I never lose sight that of the fact that this is a practical 
profession with real paymasters.

Fraser.

>From: Elliotte Harold <elharo@m...>
>To: XML Developers List <xml-dev@l...>
>Subject: Re:  XFORMS
>Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:23:16 -0500
>
>Fraser Goffin wrote:
>>As Mike says there are a number of successful 'server-side' 
>>implementations in use (we use one in an industry portal), but IMO it is 
>>unlikely to gain much traction client-side (can't see MS supporting it 
>>since they have their own solution to this and IE usage remains 90%+ 
>>commercially).
>>
>
>As I've said before, that's irrelevant. If there's a good, free client side 
>implementation that is better than the alternatives for developing web 
>apps, some intranets will use it. It can grow from there to take over the 
>market. This has happened before. This is *exactly* how IE and AJAX got 
>into the position they're in today.
>
>Of course, this only works if there actually is a good client side 
>implementation bundled with a browser that lets developers do things they 
>can't easily do today with alternative technologies.
>
>--
>Elliotte Rusty Harold  elharo@m...
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