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• Subject: Re: Re: Where does the "nothing left but toolkits" mythcome from?
• From: Robert Koberg <rob@k...>
• Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:33:07 -0800
• Cc: Michael Champion <michaelc.champion@g...>, XML Developers List <xml-dev@l...>
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Dave Pawson wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-02-06 at 12:51 -0500, Michael Champion wrote:
> 
> 
>>I didn't say "obsolete", I said it's not the mainstream use case for
>>XML I see.   XML 1.0 appears to have included a lot of stuff  to make
>>it easier to hand author, and in my non-expert opinion is that stuff
>>seems to be causing a disproportionate amount of the pain for
>>developers.   I'm not presenting that as a conclusion that I wish to
>>defend, just a reason for being interested in a profile of XML that is
>>focused more on the  feature that are most valuable to the mainstream.
>>
>>The point that hand-authored XML may be a small percentage of the
>>volume but it is more important as assets in the typical system is a
>>very interesting one that I'll have to think about.
> 
> 
> How about machine converted material which would have been/
> may have been originally 'hand authored'.
> 
> E.g. conversion from some other format into XML for
> reasons of convenience in further processing.
> 
> Is that machine generated or hand authored Mike?
> Certainly the schemas in use are those used
> primarily for hand authored (dochead) as apposed
> to data based.

It is not just the data based XML that is /machine/ generated. There is 
a market for dochead types who do need or do not want to know XML. Are 
the XML generated by /WYSIWYG/ XML editors machine generated?

FWIW, I don't care if XML is refactored. I can take what I want and 
leave the rest. I just wouldn't take something like docbook...

best,
-Rob

Happy birthday Ayn!


> 
> Perhaps a shade of grey between the black and white?
> 
> 
> regards DaveP
> 
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