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RE: Web Services/SOA (was RE: XML 2004 weblog items?

• To: <david.lyon@c...>, "Rich Salz" <rsalz@d...>
• Subject: RE: Web Services/SOA (was RE: XML 2004 weblog items?)
• From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@b...>
• Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:25:51 -0500
• Cc: "Mark Baker" <distobj@a...>, <xml-dev@l...>
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• Thread-topic: Web Services/SOA (was RE: XML 2004 weblog items?)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: david.lyon@c... 
> [mailto:david.lyon@c...] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 9:12 PM
> To: Rich Salz
> Cc: Mark Baker; xml-dev@l...
> Subject: Re:  Web Services/SOA (was RE:  
> XML 2004 weblog items?)
> 
> 
> While I absolutely agree with Rich, it's still true that 
> contribution to the standards process is restricted.
> 
> A year ago, on this list, I suggested moving off xml 1.0 onto 
> xml 1.1 or xml 2.0.
> 
> In polite terms I was told to take a hike because I wasn't 
> allowed to contribute.
> 
> Whatever....
> 
> W3C makes no secret of of trying to "control" internet 
> protocols. By definition it wants to put the brakes on anything else.
> 
> But it's a big world. People shouldn't complain about these 
> restrictions, just go and find some other people that will 
> listen (and pay for stuff).

So you're thinking that membership in standards consortiums such as W3C
and OASIS (trying not to re-open "what really is a standards consortium"
permathread) should be free for all? I would support that, especially if
the money that my company pays for OASIS membership could be added
directly into my salary. :)

Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Booz Allen Hamilton
Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
 
> It's a big world....
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Rich Salz <rsalz@d...>:
> 
> > > Well, I think it means that many well-intentioned developers, who 
> > > want to contribute to the Web services vision, aren't 
> being given a 
> > > consistent (or even coherent) message about how exactly 
> they should 
> > > go about doing that.  And I don't see anything happening now to 
> > > remedy that.
> >
> > Ah c'mon, you've been in the field long enough to know better.
> >
> > Given the capitalistic and competitive nature of this 
> field, I think 
> > we've made amazing progresss in the past 15-20 years.  We have a 
> > global interconnected network with a single protocol suite, 
> as opposed 
> > to islands with protocol gateways.  We can exchange mail messages, 
> > files, and web pages, so we have some interopable applications.  We 
> > now have a single data representation, so we can exchange 
> structured 
> > data essentially anywhere.
> >
> > We don't have a single programming language (not PL/I, C, 
> Ada, Java, 
> > or C#), we don't have a single programming model for local 
> programs either.
> > Why expect a globally consistent message for how to do distributed 
> > computing over the Internet?
> >
> > I suspect your post was a stalking horse for a REST discussion...
> >
> > 	/r$
> > --
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