[XML-DEV Mailing List Archive Home] [By Thread] [By Date] [Recent Entries] [Reply To This Message] RE: The XML Backlash
Yep. That was me. The question is not from where, but what scale is the backlash this time and will the wave effect take over? I'll skip over the possible third of the complaints coming from people who want position, failed to get it, they ignored XML, then found themselves isolated and now are fighting XML to eliminate their social competitors who did win with it. Sad but life among the mammals... Performance: The closer one gets to real time, the more performance is an issue. XML isn't a sharp performer in real time. Is binary the compromise until Moore's Law relieves the front line? Verbosity: The alternative syntaxes that accompany new XML application languages are another compromise. Subsets are a natural feature and to be expected. How does a syntax based solution justify alternative syntaxes? Trying to program in XML: Sowa claims the issue is that people attempt to solve semantic problems with syntax patches. That's an interesting topic because it is at the heart of other permathreads. Bad XML designs: I do wonder if some of these combined with lack of compression (Good post, Steve deR) are driving a fair bit of the backlash. Given the loose coupling meme, i.e., expecting any consumer to consume badly designed XML, some work is needed here. Inappropriate data model: Yes, XML is not a relational database. So? It isn't a fish either. What does a backlash look like? In a visualization, it looks like a one color graph of points where small isolates begin to change color, then a few of these find pathways to each other, and at some point, a large splotch appears. Inside that splotch, you'll find the applications with similar problems with the syntax and similar or different compromises. What keeps the whole graph from turning is that for some applications (eg middleware, large lazy transactions, etc.) XML is the right solution and holds its natural niche well. I suspect the answer is some combination of alternative mappable syntaxes and binaries. Not new news. We live with 'other bits on the wire' and mostly XML in cold storage next to the tables and in the tables. len From: Tim.Bray@S... [mailto:Tim.Bray@S...]On Behalf Of Tim Bray On Dec 3, 2004, at 8:34 AM, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: > Are we at the emergence point of an XML backlash? Heh, the XML backlash started even before XML was finished. As I recall, you were one of the early ringleaders. Obviously, XML clogs up networks and isn't nearly as good as decades-old LISP proposals. Throw the damn thing out I say, and start again. -Tim
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