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• To: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <len.bullard@i...>
• Subject: Re: [Fwd: Potential Gap (WAS Re: [owl-s] communication between web services)]
• From: Rick Marshall <rjm@z...>
• Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 07:38:55 +1000
• Cc: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@b...>, "'Thomas B. Passin'" <tpassin@c...>, xml-dev@l...
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i agree with all of that. so far all this technology has just given me a 
neater way of doing things, but not a smarter way.

i feel like the technology is at ape intelligence - way short of human 
intelligence.

rick

Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:

>As I scroll through the latest round of Web services vs REST debates, 
>it's like watching the American presidential election.  I read articles 
>which attempt to characterize the complexity of web services with 
>page counts of the specs, but they don't explain how the alternatives 
>will support the complexities of large scale enterprise applications. 
>Or they say, 'we don't do those so we don't care' which is fine but 
>worthless as critique.  
>
>In other words, no one seems to deal with the issues, they are just 
>banging away at the reputation of their opposition and no matter 
>how one dresses that up, it is just demogoguery intended to confuse 
>the marketplace.  
>
>A feedback loop for learning requires one to be willing to learn. 
>That means measurements of the problem, not measurements of the 
>containers. 
>
>So far, I haven't seen much about the semantic web services that I can't 
>do with code except reuse the code blindly.  So I am a bit sceptical 
>of the immediate utility, but I've been wrong before about things like 
>that.  On the other hand, with regards to web services, from where I 
>sit, there are immediate needs to apply this technology and I am not 
>concerned that major vendors are pulling away into small teams to 
>get the work done faster.  I am very concerned that policy for its 
>application (eg, privacy guidelines, retention guidelines, access 
>guidelines, and so on) are not being created particularly in the 
>U.S.A. where the implementations will penetrate the systems fast 
>once we are past the upcoming election.   In a millieu in which it 
>has become acceptable to deny facts, fudge measurements, and otherwise 
>just bang on the opposition without regard to the reality of the 
>situation on the ground, I am pessimistic about how well this 
>conflation of technical politics and governance will work out in 
>the near term.   To use a feedback loop, one has to be willing 
>to learn not just redirect fire on the same target.
>
>len
>
>From: Rick Marshall [mailto:rjm@z...]
>
>all the ws-* stuff and all the owl stuff will need similar feedback 
>loops for learning. they will need to cope with generalities and 
>specifics. they will need access to computer equivalents of google and 
>they will need a way to evaluate the results.
>
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