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To the "Are they shy or simply not there yet?" point.. We are trying.. and we are bleeding pretty badly... a lot of this is still "cutting edge" and the arguments are still swinging the pendulum quite a distance... do we model for "widest usage of message" or do we model for "closest to the object/data"? We in the supply chain side of our work go for (1).. remember why EDI started in the first place.. so I could accept POs from 1,000 clients and NOT support 1,000 different messages and interfaces... So, for this effort, the format/content of the BUSINESS message is paramount. And those 1,000 clients wouldn't put up with having to use a different format PO for every vendor they wanted to deal with. On the back-end system side, my developers drive us towards object based messages.. and to me, as long as it is IN HOUSE, I'm fine with that. On the front-end, Struts, .JSPs and XML/XSLT are helping quite a bit... I think you can argue both sides... very RICH in power of presentation and associated logic (like validation) and very "reach" in commonality across the spectrum of clients. So, put me down for voting on "reach" of XML messages to the broadest of audiences from the BUSINESS side of the house, and "rich" from the power of the solution supporting the business. Hmmm... did that help or just keep the debate going? Louis Didier PH Martin <martind@netfolde To: "'Bullard, Claude L (Len)'" <len.bullard@i...>, r.com> xml-dev@l... cc: 06/28/2004 11:27 Subject: RE: RE: XML Technologies: Progress via Simplification or Co AM mplexification? Please respond to martind Hi Len, This is not to disagree on you duck tape comment, but more to focus on the paradigm shift part of the article (kuhn stuff). From what I understand of the web today is that we simply returned to the old "server centric" paradigm. The application per se is running on the server and the client is barely more than a presentation client. I like Macromedia comment about "reach" vs "rich". They say that in order to increase the "reach" we had to regress to "poor" clients. Conversely, in era before we got "rich" client and practically limited "reach". The next step is simply to provide "rich" client applications able to "reach" as much people as possible. Going from a server centric world to a client-server or distributed processing world is a paradigm shift. Thus, when web applications will be running on the clients and servers will provide services, we can say that the web got a paradigm shift. The question is: will this era be based on: Java/.net -----> XML -------> ECMAScript/XML/XHTML/SVG/SMIL Or .net ---------> XML ----------> XAML Probably on both. Now about commoditization: I think it's quite obvious from the economic perspective that open source by reducing the development costs to 0$, this would lead to commoditized software goods. There are actually two main drivers to bring the costs down and make the software cheaper to use. a) Out-sourcing (reducing labor cost as was previously done in manufacturing production) b) Open source (where it's even cheaper because you don't pay the developers) Since software has no physical cost for transformation it has the potential to be a lot cheaper to produce than hardware. This is even truer if software is produced for free. Can the cost=0$ a long run solution? I do not know and I hope to live long enough to see the end result. Two possible scenarios: a) a new development paradigm bring the development efforts to a new level above coding (The MDA goal) b) developers put themselves out of the labor force or tremendously reduce their workforce by producing goods for free. I personally believe in (a) and hope that (b) will not happen (or at least until other knowledge intensive work can replace it). I do not hear anything from people trying to do model driven development using XML technologies. Are they shy or simply not there yet? If yes, I would like to hear what you do. Cheers Didier ----------------------------------------------------------------- The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php>
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