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Please keep in mind when/if reading the presentation that it was mostly the verbal comments that got people so stirred up. Kind Regards, Joe Chiusano Booz | Allen | Hamilton Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World Chiusano Joseph wrote: > > Below I referenced Chris Ferris' presentation - here's a link that > contains a PDF of it: > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsrm/200404/msg00098.html > > Kind Regards, > Joe Chiusano > Booz | Allen | Hamilton > Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: You call that a standard? > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:53:45 -0400 > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@b...> > Organization: Booz Allen Hamilton > To: Michael Champion <mc@x...> > CC: xml-dev <xml-dev@l...> > References: > <15725CF6AFE2F34DB8A5B4770B7334EE03F9F730@h...> > <D78C41CE-99EB-11D8-9C3B-000A95CCC59E@x...> > > Michael Champion wrote: > > > > On Apr 29, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: > > > > > You like the credit for being the > > > "co-inventor of XML" but don't accept any role in the damage done by > > > the > > > gutting of ISO and the norms of standardization that stood > > > in your way. > > > > I wasn't around back then, but AFAIK, ISO committed seppuku as far as > > "SGML for the Web" is concerned; Tim (Bray and/or Berners-Lee) didn't > > gut it. :-) > > > > > "As the twig is bent...", Tim. One has to > > > take the long view or short term gains in technical > > > specification turn into big losses in cultural cooperation. > > > Internet time is bullsh*t. > > > > It seems to me that one has to take the long AND the short view. Joint > > R&D is a Good Thing; Recommendations about what appears to actually > > work and would work better if the relatively small differences were > > smoothed out are a Good Thing; and real honest International Standards > > are a Good Thing, but they should not be promulgated until the > > underlying specs have matured. > > > > So in my very humble opinion: > > > > -- IBEASoft should be more honest that what they are doing with the > > WS-* specs are joint R&D projects, and should correct journalists who > > call them "standards" or "recommendations" (except in the sense that > > their marketing departments "recommend" the products built around > > them). > > At the OASIS Symposium this past week, Chris Ferris of IBM gave a > presentation comparing WS-ReliableMessaging (which I refer to as a > "vendor specification" in my various talks) to OASIS WS-Reliability. I > won't provide specific comments here - rather, I'll let the following > e-mail from the OASIS WSRM TC to the OASIS TAB (Technical Advisory > Board) speak for itself: > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsrm/200404/msg00086.html > > My understanding of the outcome will be a response by the WSRM TC posted > to the OASIS Symposium Web site. > > Kind Regards, > Joe Chiusano > Booz | Allen | Hamilton > Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World > > > -- W3C and OASIS should likewise avoid calling what they do 'standards' > > -- they are consortium recommendations, hopefully based on an analysis > > of best practice and applied theory. (The Design by Committee stuff > > like WXS or XQuery is pretty much equivalent to the joint R&D projects > > as far as I'm concerned, and should have some designation other than > > Recommendation until best practice is clear). > > > > -- The "real" standards organizations such as ISO, ITU, and CEFACT > > should focus on sweeping up after the parade, and not pursuing pet > > projects of key participants or pursuing essentially political goals . > > > > In other words, there is plenty of credit and blame to go around for > > the current state of affairs, there's been a lot of innovation but no > > organization or consortium has done all that great a job of following > > their own guidelines, and plenty of soul searching by a lot of people > > (not just stupid journalists) is needed to improve it. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > > initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > > manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> > > -- > Kind Regards, > Joseph Chiusano > Associate > Booz | Allen | Hamilton > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> -- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton
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