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As a voice from inside WSRP, not only is the parrot decidedly not dead, it's been a very busy little bird, hatching out a bevy of baby birdies. You have the problem right, tho, there are too many of those little birdies, and that makes for an awful lot of droppings, but a shakeout is inevitable. Also many several of those wannabe standards happen to work with and complement each other. WSS which just passed its vote to become a standard, is one of those which is meant to work with the others, but it does have one no vote that has to now be addressed, but it is one of the few of those listed besides WSRP that actually HAS done passed that hurdle.So while it may be too easy to start a TC, it certainly is anything but easy to get a draft passed as a standard. And that's after the internal battles, and every one I have participated in (3), has had its share and then some of those battles... That approval process for OASIS happens to require both an IPR test and the test of having three OASIS member companies at least (and usually it is six or more) publicly vouch that they have used it successfully. Most of those haven't finished the initial work-up and approval of requirements, let alone had several iteration drafts tested and tweaked, and are nothing more than trial balloons, which will, hopefully, drift away in the wind. Undoubtedly some potentially valuable ones will drift away and some quite horrible ones won't, but that's the way the word. BTW a standard is not a standard unless it gets used. Most of the OASIS WS do not actually compete, and I expect some to be combined, as WSRP ended up combining two predecessors into one TC and standard. It took 18 months to get to the point where the first draft could be put up for a public review. So there is a lot of real work that goes into it. Don't be too quick to throw out the bathwater. One of the babies in there might be worth keeping. It's tedious, I know. And I can think of bunches of things I would much rather do, but the alternatives tend to be even less desireable. Ciao, Rex At 3:33 PM -0500 4/2/04, David Megginson wrote: >Jim Rankin wrote: > >> Would anyone here like to argue that the list found in >> >> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/04/01/WS-Mumble >> >> is coherent, or sensible, or viable, or generally that the parrot is >> not dead? >> >>I wish that we could just look at the "Updated:" date on your post >>and categorize this with some of the other things posted >>yesterday... > >I wish I'd read those other things, but I did go and look at Tim's >blog. Ouch. It's bizarre seeing all of those WS-* specs out there, >when we haven't even had a chance to gain much real experience using >SOAP at the basic RPC level. The WS-Parrot is not dead per se: it >was never given a chance to hatch. > > >All the best, > > >David > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an >initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > >The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription >manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> -- Rex Brooks GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com Email: rexb@s... Tel: 510-849-2309 Fax: By Request
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