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Robert Koberg wrote: > > I realize this isn't the place to discuss CSS implementations, but I was > wondering about your thoughts on browsers that decide to go their own > way with regard to the spec. Actually, I would like some force to be > applied to the developers... > Hey, Bib, did you reuse a message from another thread? You post,shown in a threaded view, showed up way deep in the current SAX thread. > The browser in question is mozilla! They have decided that font pixel > sizing is wrong (in most cases I agree), so they take over the user's > CSS and provide their own interpretation. > > Now, I am not one to prescribe behavior for anyone. But I was wondering > if there is offense taken by others by this non standard approach. Is > anyone from mozilla here to explain there decision to abandon standards? > The trouble is accessibility. If I can't resolve your carefully-chosen pixel font, I need to be able to enlarge it until I can. This is a real-world issue - I know people who have 20-20 or even 20-15 vision who cannot resolve typefaces smaller than 9 or 10 point - they _have_ to enlarge some pages. It's not a matter of reading glasses, tehy just do not have the resolution for some reason. > Perhaps mozilla should be denigrated in favor of other choices... at > least for people who believe in standards. > I think that if the browser wants to scale up, it should be able to scale bitmapped graphics too - preferably with resampling. But Moz is otherwise so good that I don't plan to give it up. > The reason i bring this up is because we have built a beautiful, > standards compliant, 3 column, tableless layout which works in all > browsers. The problem occurs when a user resizes the text up in mozilla. > We have defined tab's text to be pixel based because we needed to use a > background image for the tabs (using a background-color and sliding > image broke all over the place). So we made the decision to go pixel > based for this one thing (the text is large to begin with). The layout > looks great in all browsers except mozilla when text is increased. > I do not see it as much of a problem. A user who does not know about changing text size will not have any problem. One who has done it a few times will know to adjust the text size to get a good compromise between fitting the graphics and being readable. At least, that is what I find myself doing. I am always glad I have the option, even though sometimes I want the graphics to scale too. But scaling graphics, like Opera does, isn;t too good without resampling. Cheers, Tom P
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