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 Eyes rolling for the Javascript solution :=) You could also but some variables in post to describe the cart... It's a pain but could be done Le Mardi 06 Janvier 2004 18:35, Strolia-Davis Christopher Contr MSG/MAT a écrit : > Amelia A Lewis wrote: > >I want to have an e-commerce website. I do not want to require users to > >"log in" or have to create some sort of fatuous "account" (so that they > > can lose the password, presumably) in order to add items to the cart. > > > >So, there's no username. How do I do this without a session? I don't > > care whether the session is cookies or url-rewritten, but you're making > > an assertion that it's possible to do something that I don't understand > > how to do, and have never seen described. > > There are actually quite a few alternatives to this, although, I'm sure I > will get quite a few guffaws from my suggestion. > > One way to maintain state on a web site could be done through the use of > frames and JavaScript (I can already see the eyes rolling). State info > could be kept in a topmost frame while the user navigates around other > frames. Each of those can be programmed to take info from the top frame > and send it along with any other form data that is passed between pages. > The top frame could also keep info about what the user has seen, ordered, > etc. Without requiring any commitment to the server. > > I'm sure there are other ways of accomplishing this as well. It all > depends on what you need to do, what your limitations are, and who your > main audience is. There is no single solution that will work for > everybody. > > Chris Strolia-Davis > Database Specialist > Contractor - CDO Technologies Inc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Amelia A Lewis [mailto:amyzing@t...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:00 PM > To: Elliotte Rusty Harold > Cc: XML-DEV > Subject: Re: Re: Cookies at XML Europe 2004 -- Call for > Particip ation > > On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 10:47:12AM -0500, Elliotte Rusty Harold wrote: > >At 10:06 AM -0500 1/6/04, Michael Champion wrote: > >> Why is the former bad and contrary to the web architecture, and the > >>latter is a good thing, even though "it is very little used on the > >>web today?" (Why not?) > > > >Today you're asking why web developers are trying to fit yesterday's > >square session based system architectures into the web's stateless > >round hole. The answer is that they're still thinking in yesterday's > >terms. Most web developers don't even ask the question of whether > >their application needs sessions. They assume it does because the old > >style systems did. It doesn't even occur to them to ask whether a > >banking application or a shopping cart could be designed without > >sessions. Eventually they too will learn how web applications should > >be designed, just as database developers and programmers learned how > >to properly utilize those technologies. > > All right, I'll bite. > > I want to have an e-commerce website. I do not want to require users to > "log in" or have to create some sort of fatuous "account" (so that they can > lose the password, presumably) in order to add items to the cart. > > So, there's no username. How do I do this without a session? I don't care > whether the session is cookies or url-rewritten, but you're making an > assertion that it's possible to do something that I don't understand how to > do, and have never seen described. > > The requirement is that, for this e-commerce web site, a potential customer > should be able to browse and to add items to some collection object (just > IDs and quantity is fine; let's say everything else is db-retrievable with > that information). Only when they are ready to check out do I want to ask > them for information. If I cannot associate a session with a user, and > cannot expect a user to "create an account" in order to window shop, how do > I do this without sessions? > > Amy! 
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