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Re: Adam Bosworth's XML 2003 Address - Reaction

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• Subject: Re: Adam Bosworth's XML 2003 Address - Reaction
• From: "Ed Day" <eday@o...>
• Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:03:48 -0500
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I too was there.  In the course of his remarks where he blasted just about
everyone trying to do anything with XML, he criticized Sun's position on
binary XML by saying "ASN.1, don't go there".  Yet BEA had a presentation
later in the week showing their solution for binary XML which looked almost
exactly like ASN.1 BER.  He, like the .NET men in this forum, speaks with
forked tongue.  They say one thing and do something else.

Regards,

Ed Day


----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Champion" <mc@x...>
To: <xml-dev@l...>
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 9:30 PM
Subject: Re:  Adam Bosworth's XML 2003 Address - Reaction


>
> On Dec 18, 2003, at 8:52 PM, Chiusano Joseph wrote:
>
> > I must admit that I was curiously puzzled by Adam Bosworth's XML 2003
> > address in which he emphasized the need for us to return to simplicity
> > regarding the current wave of existing/emerging Web Services standards.
> > Was anyone else? Given that BEA is an author/co-author of many of these
> > emerging specs [1] (WS-Coordination/Transaction, WS-Acknowledgement,
> > etc.), there appears to be a dichotomy here. Or is there?
> >
> >
> I was there, and have wondered about this.   I suspect that Bosworth is
> calling it as he sees it, perhaps realizing that frankness about truths
> that will soon be obvious to everyone is the best route to credibility.
>   [1]
>
> Anyway, "simplicity" is now apparently part of BEA's marketing message.
>   See
> http://www.bea.com/framework.jsp?CNT=pr01192.htm&FP=/content/
> news_events/press_releases/2003  "BEA agrees with our customers that
> infrastructure shouldn’t be as difficult to manage as it currently is
> today, and that standards are a means to helping reduce that
> complexity."
>
> Not that this promises the "SOAP cookie" that Bosworth said their
> customers really want in their heart of hearts :-)
>
> [1] I get a lot of feedback that various permutations of a "there's
> ain't no such thing as magic, and we don't try to sell it to you"
> slide/speech that I often slip into presentations helps give
> credibility to the other stuff I say.
>
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  • Re: Adam Bosworth's XML 2003 Address - Reaction
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