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Len, I guess I understand now what you are saying precisely; I cannot agree with you more.. excellent point. best, murali. On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: > Interpret, yes, but also to enable selection of visualization techniques > in adaptive graphical user interfaces. As the next generation of > adaptive interfaces emerges, we need to know more about the sources, > their policies (eg, algorithms) to enable the system to dynamically > select the interface model. That's a side jaunt, but what was on my > mind while I was walking the dog. > > To be clear, I am not singling out Google as having become proprietary; > I think that if we look around, we'll find non-deterministic aspects in > many search engines, and possibly, **web services in general**. I used > Google as the example because of realizing that my own mental model of > the search interface is likely incorrect with how Google actually > processes terms that I enter. The rest is a follow on from that > realization. Part of that realization was that the metadata being > derived is probably skewed as well, but how would one know? > > We say we can build web services as encapsulated systems and we can; yet > that old bugaboo of trust but verify keeps popping back up. It is as if > we need a model for adaptive paranoia which is what contracting > processes are. > > len > > From: Murali Mani [mailto:mani@C...] > > I think Len is arguing that if we know more about how google searches, we > can interpret the results more.. such as in germany, I get german pages > etc.. > > I think several techniques used by google are kind of known..?? for > example, we know that it uses page rank, text in anchor tags, tf-idf etc.. > but we do not know the exact numbers, and we do not know other metrics > used etc.. > > I think the question is: has google crossed the line with respect to what > is proprietary and what is disclosed. I think Len argues that it has.. > > To me, actually, I do not like too much non-determinism in the results > that I see.. I think google has crossed the line with the non-determinism > seen by the user, and user-based adaptivity.. they are using wrong > metrics..?? Irrespective of where I am, I need the same results.. I think > language etc should be handled differently..??? > > After hearing that google uses user-based adaptivity, and that they are > detecting user characteristics automatically.. I think that is not a > correct approach.. google always maintained they wanted to keep things > simple.. I think this is not keeping things simple... but what is > alternative approach?? > > as someone pointed out, we can go out google.com/ncr to get the same > results irrespective of our location?? >
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