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Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: > [comments on Roman empire elided] I am happy that Len feels vindicated: good ideas don't disappear forever.If you think history teaches or informs, study it well. It predicts XAML will succeed not because of conspiratorial forces, but because it is the surface language for a complete integrated architecture even if it is not itself terribly novel. My view of standards is that there are basically two kinds of legitimateWe can make intelligent choices. One of them could be to pursue a standard for rich client applications in a legitimate international standards organization instead of a self-serving consortium. standards: ones that abstract away from all platforms and so can be retargetted readily and ones that abstract on top of particular platforms and so make it more efficient to use the particular capabilities of that platform. Independent and dependent. I would say that SGML, HTML, XForms, ISMID, RELAX NG, and XML Schemas are in the first category, while XAML, XUL, SwiXml and even Schematron are in the second. (This is unrelated to Gabriels' right way and wrong way, or Raymond's cathedral versus bazaar.) I tend not to see dependent technologies as necessary enemies of independent standards. Rather the reverse: it will be easier to implement some XISMID (to give it a name: lets pronounce it "kismet") on top of XAML or XUL than on top of HTML. > The standard exists. ISO ISMID. But it is friendless.People interested in an overview of ISMID and IETM (I eat em= Interactive Electronic Technical Manuals), there are slides for an introductory seminar I did for ROC military at http://www.ascc.net/xml/en/utf-8/seminars/pdf/IETM.PDF I think it is almost the only tutorial material online. (It is almost 10 meg, for no good reason, so probably you should download to disk: we had reports from IE users that they had trouble with that kind of size. It is suitable for a 4 hour seminar. But it will give some inkling of the state-of-the-art for standards- based, markup-based interactive documents with dynamic interfaces from almost 10 years ago.) Cheers Rick Jelliffe
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