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• To: Allen Razdow <arazdow@m...>
• Subject: RE: reaching humans (was Re: Extract A Subsetof a W3C XML Schema?)
• From: Rick Marshall <rjm@z...>
• Date: 01 Aug 2003 10:17:13 +1000
• Cc: xml-dev@l...
• In-reply-to: <CBEAE06ADC8F9A4BB9E92B4441FA90BE3C7B1E@m...>
• Organization: Zenucom Pty Limited
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• Reply-to: rjm@z...

On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 10:01, Allen Razdow wrote:
> I'm moved to point out that like many useful things, XML is a compromise
> of many principles.  UNIX declared that data should be ASCII ruled by
> LR(1) grammars, and processed by piped C programs built with
> Yacc+Lex...and that was very useful.
since when?

>   In contrast, XML represents data
> as annotated trees in a standard syntax ruled by Schemas, and processed
> by services made from JAVA/XSL/SAX/DOM/SCRIPT....and that's very useful
> too, maybe more useable and more useful than UNIX/PWB ever was.
that's a monster of a claim......

>   I
> believe that's the main thing.
> 
> -allen
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: james anderson [mailto:james.anderson@s...] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:44 PM
> To: xml-dev@l...
> 
> 
> who is arguing to throw anything away? i'm asking whether an authority
> is
> going to be able to depend on documents in which its data depends on
> someone
> elses. i'm asking, what belongs where?
> 
> and suggesting that, whether one admits it or not, insisting on the
> blanket
> redundancy is the equivalent of sitting in front of a pile of fan-fold
> with a
> very blunt pencil. a very large pile.
> 
> "Simon St.Laurent" wrote:
> > 
> > james.anderson@s... (james anderson) writes:
> > >on the other hand, i can't put my finger on the last time i seriously
> > >tried to interpret a stack trace without a symbol table. or rather
> > >without some machine doing the interpretation for me. and even in the
> > >days when i had to, it never would have occurred to me to expect to
> > >find my comments in the machine code.
> > 
> > I think markup's a completely different kind of toolset, with virtues
> > you don't appear to value.
> > 
> > Markup is capable of reaching people who'll never need or want to go
> > anywhere near a stack trace.  It's built that way explicitly, at a
> > pretty high cost.  Throwing away those features while working with XML
> > seems perverse at best.
> >
> 
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