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 At 12:32 PM 5/19/2003 -0400, Jim Ancona wrote: >Jonathan Robie wrote: >>This is, of course, the standard propaganda technique known as poisoning >>the well. Here are two good descriptions of this technique: > > > > http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/poisoning-the-well.html > > http://seercom.com/bluto/skepticism/criticalthinking/irf.poiswell.html > >I've re-read my message and Jim Waldo's blog entry a couple of times, and >I can't seem to figure out what prompted this reaction. Perhaps you can >explain in what sense my posting (or Waldo's post) is an example of >poisoning the well? Perhaps I was reading things you did not mean to imply. What bothered me was the intersection between Waldo's blog entry: >"I can't think of a single standard that was invented by committee that >has survived in the marketplace. The long-standing standards are those >that were first de facto standards, and were described (no invented) by >the standards bodies." And your comment: >Some of the follow-on XML standards like XML Schema and XQuery are clearly >in the "invented" category. It will be interesting keep Jim's comments in >mind as we watch their progress. I thought you were implying something along these lines: "invented standards can't survive in the marketplace, XQuery is an invented standard, it's like XML Schema which we all know is too complex, therefore..." At any rate, that's what I was reacting to - I apologize if that was not the intended meaning. For what it's worth, I don't know whether to say XQuery is a language invented by committee or not. If I read through the solutions to the Use Cases in XQuery, they are remarkably similar to the solutions in Quilt [1], the submission that formed the basis for XQuery. And Quilt was, in turn, based solidly on existing languages including XML-QL, XQL, XPath, XSLT, SQL, and OQL. The main difference between the two is the type system - Quilt was largely untyped, XQuery permits a range of typing. The static typing of XQuery was the work of a small group of individuals, the dynamic typing is being hammered out by the larger committee. Jonathan [1] http://www.almaden.ibm.com/cs/people/chamberlin/quilt.html 
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