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Re: XPointer goes to REC

• To: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@b...>
• Subject: Re: XPointer goes to REC
• From: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@w...>
• Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:54:28 -0800
• Cc: "John Cowan" <jcowan@r...>,<xml-dev@l...>
• References: <20030325150453.GF30866@s...> <008d01c2f2e4$47ec29c0$020aff0a@tsg1> <3E8079EE.8376FAAE@b...>

Joseph -
yes of course - But the issue is simple and is one of the ones that the IETF
has tried to ignore and that is its responsibility to enforce its document
process on anyone relying on the IP republication rights as all leveraged
Standard's processes do.

This is so easily fixed it is mind numbingly simple - just set a Copyright
Policy stating that no documents are publicly referable as anything other
than conversational references until they are awarded the Status of
Standard. Which makes it a violation if US and Global Copyright to refer to
this material in any way outside of what it was intended for. I.e.
speculative vetting by this and related communities.

That makes the W3C's referring to anything that this group does as part of
its standard a copyright violation unless that precursor work has reached
the state of OASIS Standard.

Todd


----- Original Message -----
From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@b...>
To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey@w...>
Cc: "John Cowan" <jcowan@r...>; <xml-dev@l...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:46 AM
Subject: Re:  XPointer goes to REC


> <Quote>
> Most people would tell you that XML.ORG has no say as to what others do
> with its standards, and that is pure BS.
> </Quote>
>
> Hmmm...interesting discourse. But I'm not sure what you mean when you
> refer to "XML.org standards"; do you perhaps mean OASIS?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Joe Chiusano
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
>
> todd glassey wrote:
> >
> > Is there an XML.ORG policy on allowing its non-standards documents to be
> > referenced by any others body???
> >
> > Most people would tell you that XML.ORG has no say as to what others do
with
> > its standards, and that is pure BS. The actuality is that if XML.ORG was
to
> > publish a statement that its Intellectual Properties could not be
referenced
> > by other standards as part of their processes until they make standards
> > status within XML.ORG - that this problem would not be happening.
> >
> > The people who will object to this will all have financial dependence on
> > getting their products to market and that's why they have pushed the W3C
> > into backing processes and declarations that have not yet reached
maturity -
> > This further says that W3C is politically motivated and is not a true
> > standards body but one where commercial interests of the insiders are
put
> > ahead of the standards process -
> >
> > It doesn't matter whether you agree with the above or not - that one
person
> > says this publicly is all that it takes to invalidate the envelope of
> > propriety around the W3C's operations and make the motivations behind
all
> > their efforts suspect. And considering what's what - this is a real
issue I
> > think.
> >
> > Todd Glassey
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Cowan" <jcowan@r...>
> > To: <xml-dev@l...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:04 AM
> > Subject:  XPointer goes to REC
> >
> > > I have just heard that the XPointer Framework and the element() and
> > xmlns()
> > > schemes have become W3C Recommendations.  The xpointer() scheme is
still
> > > at WD stage.
> > >
> > > --
> > > A poetical purist named Cowan           [that's me:
> > jcowan@r...]
> > > Once put the rest of us dowan.          [on xml-dev]
> > >     "Your verse would be sweeter        http://www.ccil.org/~cowan
> > >     If it only had metre                http://www.reutershealth.com
> > > And rhymes that didn't force me to frowan."     [overpacked
> > line!] --Michael Kay
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