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Re: Elliotte Rusty Harold on Web Services

• To: "Dare Obasanjo" <dareo@m...>
• Subject: Re: Elliotte Rusty Harold on Web Services
• From: Uche Ogbuji <uche.ogbuji@f...>
• Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 09:09:47 -0700
• Cc: "Mike Champion" <mc@x...>, elharo@m..., xml-dev@l...
• In-reply-to: Message from "Dare Obasanjo" <dareo@m...> of "Sun, 02 Feb 2003 08:04:03 PST." <B885BEDCB3664E4AB1C72F1D85CB29F804B7C883@R...>
• Sender: Uche Ogbuji <uche.ogbuji@f...>

> I assume Mike is talking about the fact that it is not possible to embed one well-formed document in another and still be conformant XML if the embedded document contains a prolog. One can resort to hacks to get around this (PIs or CDATA sections) but I assume some would rather have a "blessed" way of achieving this. 


Thanks.  I think this boils down to more "Use XML for what it's good at, and 
nothing more".  I used to run into the need to include one XML document in 
another often enough a long time ago.  I don't anymore because I've recognized 
that most cases where I want to do that are a matter of poor design.

I don't know for sure whether the SOAP problem is poor design, though I do 
know that I would have designed an XML protocol over HTTP differently from 
SOAP.  But I do know that XML holds even more hazards for a naive use of XML 
in protocols.  There is the fact that so many characters are completely 
illegal, even in the form of character entities.  There is attribute 
normalization, and more.  Again, if we "solve" all these "problems" for WS, we 
end up with CSV-with-angle-tags.

I prefer that XML makes us rethink protocols.  It already has for me (former 
big-time CORBA pusher), to my great gain.


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Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
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