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David Carlisle writes: > Much as it pains me to support Microsoft I'd take exactly the oposite > view here. I'd say that XML-on-the-web is distinctly uninteresting > without a transformation language. My XML _never_ looks just like the > presentation (for simple documents where that could be the case I'd > just use (x)html anyway). That's very odd to me, as about 97% of the XML I work with (including the data) can be viewed usefully in a browser with just CSS - display:table being particularly useful, but hardly the only case. The only cases where I have a genuine problem involve some of my grosser stupidities with putting content into attribute, a habit I got into while writing SAX filters that I'm now trying to break. On the Web, I think it's fair to say that most Web developers are quite familiar with the case where document order is presentation order. > So you require client side XSLT, until relatively recently that has > only really worked in IE so in fact IE is a very capabable XML > browser. Far from MicroSoft having a non-approach to XML in the > browser, whether they like it or not they have a credible aproach. It > could do with some tweaks, such as the default stylesheet doing > something different with xhtml namespace but these are relatively > minor issues. Their handling of the XHTML namespace and mixtures of XML and XHTML is execrable to put it mildly; I suppose that doesn't matter as much if you plan to use XSLT to massage your data into something (HTML) their browser actually can handle. > The XSLT in mozilla and Netscape is now fortunately (at last) fairly > robust (if not particularly fast) so we can finally put xml on the > web with a reasonable chance that someone with a "new enough" browser > can handle the thing. Of course not all browsers and platform are > there yet but its early days: NS 7's only been out a couple of months > or so in a full release, I still hope other systems will support this > in the future. And the CSS in Mozilla and Netscape (and to a lesser extent in Opera) puts IE completely to shame for any XML application. (Generally speaking, I think the Mozilla folks got it right as far as integrating XML and HTML in the Web browser, though I'm fonder of Opera's CSS-based linking than the simple XLink support in Mozilla.) > As more clients become available I hope we will see more xslt styled > xml on the web. Docbook for example... I'm happy with CSS for pretty much all the direct DocBook reading I do up to the point where ORA feeds it all into Frame. ------------- Simon St.Laurent - SSL is my TLA http://simonstl.com may be my URI http://monasticxml.org may be my ascetic URI urn:oid:1.3.6.1.4.1.6320 is another possibility altogether
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