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Re: Infoset chewing gum (was Re: linking, 80/20)

• To: "Simon St.Laurent" <simonstl@s...>
• Subject: Re: Infoset chewing gum (was Re: linking, 80/20)
• From: Erik Wilde <net.dret@d...>
• Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:28:26 +0200
• Cc: xml-dev@l...
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Simon St.Laurent wrote:
> If you can't solve a markup problem in a way which remains amendable to
> direct XML 1.0 representation, I'm not sure the problem is worth solving
> in that way.  Infoset extensions of the sort you suggest strike me as
> the worst kind of duct tape and chewing gum.  If we need those kinds of
> patches, there's a problem deeper down that needs to be solved instead.

maybe that's the point. i don't have a markup problem. the problem is 
that some useful semantics (hyperlinking) are being viewed as if they 
were tied to markup (which they currently are because xlink 1.0 only 
defines markup). however, the semantics should be defined somewhere 
else, and then people could choose whatever markup they like, xlink 1.0 
markup for the namespace-tolerant people, and xhtml markup for the 
html-legacy providers. and if the svg people decide that they don't want 
any of these, then they can invent svg-specific markup for the xlink 
data model.

so my point is: define semantics and a associated data model, and then 
let people decide which markup they would like to have. tying every 
discussion to markup and namespaces and the problem that people have or 
may have with colonized names simply misses the point.

and again (even though this is dangerous): xml schema did it exactly 
that way, because there were some important semantics to be captured, 
and they did so using infoset extensions. i know that the psvi 
contributions are not everybodies darling, but so far i haven't seen any 
reasonable way of solving the problem differently.

cheers.

erik wilde  -  tel:+41-1-6325132  -  fax:+41-1-6321035
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           swiss federal institute of technology  (eth)
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