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RE: Interesting mailing list & a rare broadside

• To: "Murali Mani" <mani@C...>,<xml-dev@l...>
• Subject: RE: Interesting mailing list & a rare broadside
• From: "Dare Obasanjo" <dareo@m...>
• Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:09:55 -0700
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• Thread-topic: Interesting mailing list & a rare broadside

Besides the unintuitive attribute wildcard behavior there didn't seem to
be anything that esoteric in what he said. I'd love to be on the mailing
list to debate some his points with him but c'est la vie. 

I do however agree that mandating W3C XML Schema as a formalism when it
is no such thing is an unwise decision. 

Actually scratch that. On reading the IETF XML Guideline Draft[0] it
seems that they are specifying that W3C XML Schema should be the default
schema language used by the IETF for XML protocols which is not what the
snippet in JC's original mail led me to believe. I was probably thrown
off by the word "formalism". 

For this case, I'm not sure I see as much reason to argue with this. W3C
XML Schema is already used by the W3C for its XML protocol work and
standardization not balkanization should be the order of the day. Most
of the arguments about the complexity of W3C XML Schema for the average
end user don't apply to Internet protocols. After all, how many regular
users look at SOAP messages or HTTP requests? 

[0]
http://www.potaroo.net/ietf/ids/draft-hollenbeck-ietf-xml-guidelines-04.
txt 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Murali Mani [mailto:mani@C...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:37 PM
> To: xml-dev@l...
> Subject: Re:  Interesting mailing list & a rare broadside
> 
> 
> 
> I did not know W3C XML-Schema had so many "features" :)
> 
> Anyways, I cannot believe there can be so many non-intuitive 
> things which I still do not know about XML-Schema, I am sure 
> I have been following XML-Schema orders of magnitude more 
> than an average user of XML technologies. How do we expect 
> people to use XML if XML-Schema is what we have to put up with??
> 
> I do not know the answers.. hopefully things will become better..
> 
> cheers and regards - murali.
> 
> On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Tim Bray wrote:
> 
> > Note sure if this has been mentioned here, but some Real Smart Guys 
> > over in the IETF are working on draft guidelines for How To 
> Use XML.  
> > It's not 100% fully cooked yet, but it's turning into IMHO a superb 
> > piece of work that applies well beyond the IETF.  Mailing list at
> >
> >   http://www.imc.org/ietf-xml-use/mail-archive/maillist.html
> >
> > Also, it's not often that James opens the ports, rolls out all the 
> > cannons, and lets go with a full broadside, but you don't 
> want to miss 
> > it when it happens:
> >
> >   http://www.imc.org/ietf-xml-use/mail-archive/msg00217.html
> >
> >   -Tim
> >
> >
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