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Re: W3C Culture and Aims (Was: What does SOAP really add?)

• To: "John Cowan" <jcowan@r...>,<AndrewWatt2000@a...>
• Subject: Re: W3C Culture and Aims (Was: What does SOAP really add?)
• From: arg@u... (Alain Rogister)
• Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:55:58 +0200
• Cc: <xml-dev@l...>
• References: <200204221000.GAA29264@m...>

Also sprach John Cowan:

> On the [censored] W3C-internal mailing list, to which I belong, the
> question of open access was brought up -- and shot down on the
> to-me unbelievably feeble ground that certain members were afraid of
> spam if their addresses were openly published!  (The W3C archiving
> mechanism for both public and internal mailing lists does not allow
> obfuscated addresses.)
>
> IMHO if you are going to set policy or create mechanism for a fundamental
> part of the Web, you should be willing to stand up and say so, and
> maybe run a spam-filter.  Ghu knows the public-comment mailing lists
> collect enough spam as it is.

I have the suspicion that spam anxiety does not explain it all.
Specifically, some messages on public W3C mailing lists contain URLs
pointing at (or was it "denoting" ?) member-only "administrative" documents.
Too much openness could turn out to be embarrassing to some participating
companies, I guess.

Luckily, we can enjoy for free some little gems such as IRC teleconference
logs - they are great fun sometimes. E.g. the beginning of
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/arch/2/03/28-minutes hints at what the poor
members have to suffer through in order to get the job done:

[hugo]
hugo has changed the topic to: WSAWG telcon
Zakim, this is WS_ArchWG
[Zakim]
ok, hugo
[hugo]
Zakim, who is here?
[Zakim]
I see ??P0, ??P1, ??P2
[chris]
trouble dialing
zakim, Chris? is definitely me
zakim, definitely_me is me
[hugo]
just in case
IRC log: http://www.w3.org/2002/03/28-ws-arch-irc (HTML, text and RDF
variants)
[chris]
agenda+ http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-arch/2002Mar/0107.html
zakim, what's the agenda
[Zakim]
I don't understand 'what's the agenda', chris. Try /msg Zakim help
[chris]
zakim, agenda?

No wonder it takes awhile to turn the XML spaghetti into a more modular and
layered (lasagne-ish ?) set of specs.

Alain.
---
Alain Rogister
CTO
http://www.ubiquity.be

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