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If you don't mind, John, I'd like to detach cleanly from the capitalism thread at this juncture and focus on applications of RNG and RNG AF. As Rick Jeliffe notes wisely, we are pursuing understanding which applications will benefit from using RNG. We are told that RNG is best for documents and XSD for databases. Because I often generate documents from databases, that may or may not be an exclusionary answer. Because you are familiar with this effort and RNG, you can probably explain most clearly why RNG is a good candidate for the base. My lack of clarity makes me think I would need XML Schema for the base and could use RNG for the secondary schemas. XSD provides abstract types and it would seem these are a useful means to organize the element types that can then be used in a renaming system, or can be carried by "class" attributes. Marketing: if we establish undeniable value, we can find market. It helps to know where to look for value. Companies like Microsoft are in the business of making computer systems ubiquitous and know now that ease is very important to that. So regardless of who sponsors RNG, if it has value, I believe it will be implemented in commercial software. Ease of uptake by medium skilled users is very valuable. We know from experience that if we set out to create a language by which humans communicate with other humans and computers, and our efforts result in a language that is hard to learn and hard to apply, however well the computer likes it, we goofed. Schema designs based on toolkits must be very easy to use because of the innate difficulties of working with novel or unfamiliar abstractions in the domains themselves. A complex tool on top of that is deadly. So that leaves me in a quandary and I need help with this. (Your help is very valuable and I know your time is, so many thanks.) But maybe these problems are exemplary of where and why XML developers need RELAX NG. A case made by example is illuminating. Finding the right example is a challenge. In HumanML, we've managed to a certain degree to isolate out the major categories of characteristics of people, environment, and channels that affect the success or failure of human communication acts. That semiotics, hermaneutics, etc. were our sources is no great surprise. So we have a pretty good set of top domains for glueing together the application languages of different groups that want something like HumanML. But a glue language is exactly what we will have to begin with. It has to be simple to apply because it is a toolkit. At the same time, I need to think about an implementation in which the HumanML data is just a database, possibly relational, and used to feed rendering applications or to create messages that the Human agents can act with. len -----Original Message----- From: John Cowan [mailto:jcowan@r...] I would have to see details, but I think using RNG for the base schema would make a lot of sense.
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