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Re: Re: XML and Complex Systems (was Re: Re:An Archi

• To: "Mike Champion" <mc@x...>,<xml-dev@l...>
• Subject: Re: Re: XML and Complex Systems (was Re: Re:An Architecture for Limericks)
• From: "Dare Obasanjo" <kpako@y...>
• Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:14:20 -0800
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Champion" <mc@x...>
To: <xml-dev@l...>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 5:24 PM
Subject: Re:  Re: XML and Complex Systems (was Re:  Re:An
Architecture for Limericks)


> 1/14/2002 10:01:09 PM, "Dare Obasanjo" <kpako@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > As more and more people start working with XML and need to process
> > it, the deficiency of the current technologies used for XML
> > manipulation will be highlighted. The question is whether we will
> > take it as a challenge to make it
> > easier for people to process and manipulate XML
>
> The question I have is "who is we"?  The W3C is not likely to take
> this on anytime soon.  But if "we" is the XML-DEV community, it might
> make an interesting project (remember that SAX came out of a long
> thread on this mailing list 4 years ago).  Or maybe it's a job for
> dom4j.org, or an OASIS TC.
>

When I say "we" I mean all of us that are able to make a difference either as
members of OASIS, the W3C,  employees of software companies involved with XML
technologies or simply developers with time who like to experiment with XML.

> In any case, I suspect that this problem needs creative
> experimentation more than standardization at this point.  Do we want
> a a variation of XSLT that uses a synthesis of regular expressions
> and XPath?  Do we want a tighter integration between a dom4j-like XML
> library for Perl and Python (which have native string pattern
> matching capabilities)?  Do we want regular expression capabilities
> added onto dom4j?  How should this relate to JAXB?  We don't want to
> tie it to a single schema language do we?
>
> I'd guess that all these (and more!) should be explored and
> prototyped before the W3C gets involved.
>

I am unsure that the W3C is the correct organization or atmosphere to foster
the kind of creativity and experimentation in what may be the killer XML APIs
of the future. I believe that it is more likely that the revolutions will
occur in the informal gathering developers that spawned SAX or small focused
technical committees dedicated to creating _simple_ yet powerful tools for
working with XML (e.g. RELAX NG).

The question is whether a world that is becoming accustomed to associating
working with XML with "W3C standards" will fully embrace technologies
developed outside the framework of the W3C. SAX was created outside thr
framework of the W3C and has thrived but I wonder if it can happen again.

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