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> You are probably looking for the paper "The Third Manifesto" by Darwen and > Date (ACM 1995 I think). I've found a link to a postscript version on this > page: http://www.palslib.com/Fundamentals/The_Relational_Model.html -- the > manifesto is in the section called "Objects and the Relational Model". **Unbelivable** link. Bob, thank you so much !!! I also want to thank Michael Champion, Dan Weinerb and others, for providing pointers to books and urls. Here is a brief list sofar, maybe it would be handy for somebody else ( I'm gonna read it all now ;-) : "old Ingres papers, probably authored or co-authored by Michael Stonebraker. Ingres had a language called QUEL, and the Berkeley Ingres guys were pushing QUEL as a competitor to SQL (then known, I think, as SEQUEL) at the time" ""Data And Reality: Basic Assumptions in Data Processing Reconsidered" by William Kent. This is more about philosophical underpinning than mathematical underpinning, and it shows just how deep some of the problems are, including plenty of interesting issues that aren't solved by the relational model and aren't going to be solved by any alternative that is a model in the sense that the relational model is a model. Representing reality as data is hard." "that the book has been re-released in your choice of e-book or paperback at http://www.1stbooks.com/cgi-bin/1st?!55m40MrEsfv6dKT9nONdf11m0sddvkv226roAaT ai5IddouEjHvebutdEOuMe5m40MrSsfOCbutvEanOf5m0nonlvAKG1cTiEbnCepmt0Nd5sFvC3ut vEOuCfOIoOudosH8C3KrenOuCma1m0Mnivkv1bvTlErn5 (or if that URL is a bit much, go to www.1stbooks.com and search for the title "Data and Reality." "Excerpts are at Kent's web site at http://home.earthlink.net/~billkent/Doc/darxrp.htm. The book is great, and its uncanny how much he had to say in 1978 to the data modeling issues of today." "Look at http://www.firstsql.com/dbdebunk/fp4a.htm (fortunately for our self-images, Don Chamberlin and Peter Chen are almost as stupid as we are <grin> ) and http://www.firstsql.com/dbdebunk/cjd6a.htm http://www.firstsql.com/dbdebunk/fp2a.htm " "Date (who actually understands the math, and explains things very well; his little THE DATABASE RELATIONAL MODEL is the one book to buy if you have $10 and a couple of hours to invest in understanding the relational model" Rgds.Paul.
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