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From: Bart Schuller [mailto:schuller+xml-dev@l...] On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 08:55:59AM -0500, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: >> If a company has the funding, they can defend the open software >> projects from which they derive their profits. That is a >> cost of business for them just as it is for all of us in >> this business. They can also seek patents for that which >> they intend to have future rights. If they intend to do >> that with intent to grant RF RAND, I think a W3C policy >> that is clear with respect to the terms of such would be >> welcome to the management of such a company. >You keep talking about business. There's more in life. Yes, but we aren't talking about life here. We are talking about the RAND policy of the W3C. If you want to talk about life, Marvin is over in the corner talking to Zaphod about it every day. The W3C is a commercial consortium with an obligation to protect it's members interests. That is what they do. You may belong to a charitable software foundation. If so, que bueno. >Tell me, what is the cost of having a hobby? Mine cost me about $1500 last month for a used and discounted Mackie 480-S and a Roland JV-1080. That was an unusual month but it has been an unusual year of retooling for a different kind of gig than I played in rock. The Godin was expensive too. I need to get those costs down. The IRS won't be happy if I don't have the money to pay them when they demand their cut of my "hobby income" and my wife is unhappy when I use money from my day gig. >Everyone with an off the shelf PC can start programming. Yes. That is well supported given any number of frameworks, open source, and commercial products. >There's also a vast amount of scientific research and Open Source >software to build upon and expand. Yes. A lot of that was paid for by the tax dollars collected by the IRS. Funny how that works. From my hobby to your PC. >Yet a lot of the obvious enhancements >get patented. I don't think so. Some do but the patent office isn't quite that stupid. This argument does reflect an attitude that is prevalent (software is free speech) and one can argue the merits of that. Still, it once again reinforces the contention that without a sound patent policy to ensure the interests of the W3C's members, the W3C is derelict in its responsibilities. The text of that is to be decided. >Why is it so hard to see that asking people to pay these same considerable >business costs of yours just so they can *give away* things *they write* >is wrong? You are personalizing. I am not the one writing the patent policy and I hold no patents. But in any case, if they are giving away the property of others, they are stealing. Robin Hood is an attractive figure, but still a "hood". I give away songs on the Internet but retain the copyrights. I can afford to do that. In fact, that is pretty much where the hobby money goes just like my songs: to the PCs of others: gratis. I don't demand Madonna do that. If you can get her to do that, it will be entertaining. Paul McCartney is giving away profits from his new release to the NY funds. I commend such. Paulie can afford it and still fly pizzas from NYC to his home in England. I am happy for him. He is entitled. >Or is every hobbyist entitled to their own bigco who'll pay the lawyer's >fees to attack bogus patents? Every hobbyist is entitled to give away that which is theirs to dispose of in the manner and to whom they see fit. They aren't entitled to do that with the property of others. You can't make the wrong thing the right thing just because you want it to be so. The WWW mythos has persuaded many to think there are no costs for it. That is quite wrong. It is just that the people who seem to be clamoring for a cost free web aren't the ones paying the costs. The Internet is NOT a commons. It never has been. That was a dream some had and promoted to others. They forgot to mention the millions of dollars spent by the US to develop it and then present it as a gift for commercialization in 1990/91. Every university machine, every router, every PC out there cost someone something. Do what you will with what is yours to do it with but the costs for the 'net are being passed on to the consumers. Ask Yahoo about their new business model. len
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