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Claude, can I chose the stock certificate to be beaten with :-) Thanks for your mail. Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Bullard, Claude L (Len) [mailto:clbullar@i...] > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 12:52 PM > To: Benjamin Franz > Cc: xml-dev@l... > Subject: RE: Bad News on IE6 XML Support > > > You give them too much credit for power or persuasion. > > As an MSThrall, and veteran of years of different systems > back to the IBM1130, if a vendor were to tell us they > have a bug that will force us to redo some large quantity > of data to be forwards-compliant with a standard, we are > likely to do a cost-benefit analysis and if we find out > the impact is minimal or not catastrophic, we will > delay installing any new software until it is cost-effective. > We definitely will slow down our incorporation of bleeding > edge tech until the churning stops. Blueberry is an > excellent example of that. > > Software vendors of all stripes have had to become > "mean and evil" to force customers off old platforms. :-) > > It is wrong-headed to assume that just because one > uses web technology, that all the data is "on the web" > or that it will become everyone's problem. Those that > pushed for the Draconian solution to the HTML mess > were warned that software developers faced with > customers with large volumes of tagged errors would > prefer to keep working rather than face a screen > that said "Nope! Not Our Idea of Right!". I can't > recall any time when the developers did not code > for user mistakes, migrating standards or mismatched > requirements. > > That said: he is right about not always being > able to catch this stuff. The guys who develop > IE are just like us: opinionated and busy. > > That doesn't mean they shouldn't be beaten with > old dot.com stock certificates. Recycle paper. > > Len > http://www.mp3.com/LenBullard > > Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti. > Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Franz [mailto:snowhare@n...] > > > However, data outlives code, so once you allow people to > store data in > > a certain form, you simply cannot disallow them. Warning is > an option, > > and providing transition periods (that can range several > > years/decades). This does not move in internet time, I am afraid... > > Yes, you can. You may not _want_ to do so. It may be > politicaly inconvienent do so. But without question - you can. > > Sometimes you have to take the hit on the chin and say to > your customers "This is a bug. We know you may have stored > data in form X (and here is a tool to help _filter_ the > problematic data for you before you deliver it to a client if > you absolutely cannot repair your database), but it has to be > changed because that behavior was a bug and your XML _will > not_ interoperate with other people if it is not fixed now. > And the more data you store like this the worse it will get." > > "Bugwards" compatibilty is precisely why HTML ended up in the > mess it was in a couple of years ago (and still is in to a > large extent). Each new browser had to exactly replicate the > _known to be wrong_ behavior of the previous one. Because > rather than fix the problem when there were only a few > _thousand_ web browsers installed, it was left to fester > until their were _tens of millions_ installed. > > That is why you bite the bullet _as early as you can_. > Because it only gets worse with time to fester. Trying to > save your customers immediate pain by _continuing_ to do the > wrong thing makes the situation worse on the long term as > their pain becomes everyone _else's_ pain for years to come. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org > <http://www.xml.org>, an initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.xml.org/ob/adm.pl>
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