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It begins to thin out when they run out of new jokes. Consider the incredible amount of redundancy in the presentation topics, how many of the revelations are old news if you either attended other conferences or sat in on these maillists. How many times have you seen or heard about the failure of the Mars probe based on confusing metric and english units, or the noisyness of the american voting process used to validate the concept of noisy communications? How many presentations on syntax vs semantics have you heard? Convergence? At least we have quit debating link types, but I suspect it will get rediscovered too. Many years ago, a NASA scientist was telling me about the Skylab they had just flown. He said, "the excitement about the lab diminishes as we start to run out of useful things to do up there. The reality of usefulness is more limited than the excitement of the event." And that will happen in these conferences too. There is a Measure of Boredom (say MOB) and past that, the signup lists thin out and the MOB goes elsewhere. Len http://www.mp3.com/LenBullard Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti. Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h -----Original Message----- From: Michael Fitzgerald [mailto:mike@w...] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 10:22 AM To: Jonathan Borden; xml-dev@l... Subject: RE: A real community service I don't think Tim was being disingenuous at all. It was just a funny coincidence. He probably appears on the site without his direct permission. I certainly did not mean for it to be a laugh at his expense; there certainly have been a few laughs at my expense on this and other lists. %^} I got an email this morning from a suspicious source about a turf dispute between SYS-CON vs. Camelot Communications, both XML conference purveyors. I am not surprised by the proliferation of conferences or in-fighting when there is so much hay to be made. I think we'll have fewer choices in a few years. XML conferences, like XML "standards," tools, and books, are all subject to the "meritocracy of geeks" test (the MOG test?) we heard tell of on this list last year. Word of mouth -- whether about books, movies, ski boots, or speakers -- rules in the long run, and sometimes even in the short run. I think XML 1.0, XSLT, and SAX have passed MOG. I think RELAX, RDDL and TREX and other initiatives by people who know what they are doing will pass MOG. I hope other W3C activities will too, but the jury is out on many of them. Strong swimmers rise to the surface, and sometimes even cross the English Channel. I'll be watching closely. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Borden [mailto:jborden@m...] > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 6:18 PM > To: Michael Fitzgerald; xml-dev@l... > Subject: RE: A real community service > > > Michael Fitzgerald wrote: > > > > I had a look at the XML Edge site. The irony of seeing a chapeau-ed Tim > > Bray -- twice mind you -- emblazoned on the page, in light of his > > post, was > > one of the best moments of my day. > > yeah well at first glance you might think that Tim was being disingenuous > but what is really outrageous is that this site (xmledge or whatever) is > listing people who gave keynotes at last year's XML DevCon in San Jose ... > which I was at and at which Tim as gave a terrific keynote. it seems to me > that this other conference site has patently false advertising. > on the other > hand I may have simply had no idea where I was at the time. > > -Jonathan > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org, an initiative of OASIS > <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > To unsubscribe from this elist send a message with the single word > "unsubscribe" in the body to: xml-dev-request@l... > ------------------------------------------------------------------ The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org, an initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ To unsubscribe from this elist send a message with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body to: xml-dev-request@l...
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