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Hi Daniel, Daniel said: ------------------------------------------------ When faced with "groves" I still have a serious problem with both points: - Show me a definition so that I can understand the term and underlying concept clearly enough that an implementation time is spend not collecting and reading papers but implemening something well defined. Even reading http://www.prescod.net/groves/shorttut/ I still can't get a clear definition of "what is a grove precisely". Not at the concept level, but a implementable definition say on top of the XML infoset (for XML documents). Didier says: ------------------------------------------------ I agree with you on that point. Actually groves are defined as abstract entities and there is no common API to groves (each implementer ca define its own interface). Daniel says: ----------------------------------------------- - Show me the code. Not that there is none, I just don't know. Is there a program available in source code, that I can run on say a laptop in front of a novice (but programmer kind) audience (say a Gnome developper's group) allowing me in 3 mn to show a "grove" in action and what it does for them. Didier says: ----------------------------------------------- Easy, just use the "Linux of the markup technologies" aka OpenJade. The code is freely available, several developers around the globe are already improving it each day. The source code is stored on a CVS server and like I said, is freely available. OpenJade includes the SGML grove plan but the grove is transient (i.e. resident on the heap). This is a stand alone module that could be reused in other code. The grove is available as a DCOM object or a C++ object. You may make your own implementation if you want or change the interface. For more information: http://www.netfolder.com/DSSSL So, the first requirement is not yet fulfilled because actual documentation about groves (I mean public one) is not targeted toward concrete implementations and interface issues. Within the OpenJade project we are correcting this situation by documentation a concrete freely available component. But this is work in progress like it is for all open source projects. The second requirement is already fulfilled, you just have to get the code and play with it. Its free, the source is available and maintained by an international team. So, the best way to know what's behind these 5 letters is to simply take a look at the OpenJade project. I suggest also that you take a look at the PERL open source project because they too have included a grove manager in the PERL package. Did you noticed that PERL already implemented a Grove module? Regards Didier PH Martin mailto:martind@n... http://www.netfolder.com xml-dev: A list for W3C XML Developers. To post, mailto:xml-dev@i... Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/ and on CD-ROM/ISBN 981-02-3594-1 To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; (un)subscribe xml-dev To subscribe to the digests, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; subscribe xml-dev-digest List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@i...)
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