[XML-DEV Mailing List Archive Home] [By Thread] [By Date] [Recent Entries] [Reply To This Message] RE: Will OASIS matter? (was OASIS individual memberships)
Just a quick followup to qualify my post, as an offlist response suggests that I might be interpreted as questioning the need for OASIS or similar efforts. I certainly didn't intend that, and have every expectation that both OASIS and BizTalk can make themselves indespensible in a 'community centre', 'consensus building' and 'schema blessing' role. I'm just wary of the DTD-discovery and DTD-repository expectations people seem to have of such organisations being redundant since the search engines will likely address many of these needs. --dan On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Dan Brickley wrote: > > On Fri, 9 Jul 1999, Andrew Layman wrote: > > > Adding to what David said, W3C management have made it clear that the W3C is > > not going to generally be in the position of endorsing domain-specific DTDs > > or schemas. This means that DTDs and schemas are going to need other > > development and cataloging services, e.g. Oasis and BizTalk. > > There's a big distinction there between development and cataloguing; > simply being able to _find_ pertinent DTDs and schemata doesn't strike > me as a great value added service. Development, on the other hand.... > > > We already have an industry focussed around discovery and cataloguing: > web search engines, portals, directories. We're already seeing > things such as specialised MP3 search options as natural extensions of > these; since XML schemas are just more Web data, it seems to me likely > that a few such services will start offering schema-oriented searches. > > Trust is of course a big issue -- but if professional societies and > industry bodies could circulate (by email, NNTP, CD-ROM) digitally signed > schemata and inter-schema crosswalks, these would fit very well into the > search-engine oriented approach to discovery. Oasis, BizTalk might take > on this role, but I'd imagine the existing engines would be well set up > to compete. > > Development, discussion, data modelling and consensus building, > (particularly regarding vocabulary overlap), seems of far more > importance. And this latter is a very human, social service which > might(?I've no idea) turn out to need input from more stakeholders than > are inclined to pay to join. It's this "community centre" aspect, and > prospect of such communities pragmatically blessing certain schemas, > which seems a plausible role for OASIS, BizTalk etc. Any techno-centric > database, search, cataloguing role seems to be in direct competion with > the major search services. > > I can't see any technical reason why solutions for discovery > and trust w.r.t. normal XML (and HTML and MP3...) documents won't also > serve equally well for discovery and trust management of XML schemata, > mappings, crosswalks, business rules etc etc. After all, wasn't this > synergy the whole point of moving to an XML syntax for next-generation > DTDs? (ie. to allow the special case to borrow technology from the > general one). > > IMHO, > > Dan > > > > > -- > Daniel.Brickley@b... > Institute for Learning and Research Technology http://www.ilrt.bris.ac.uk/ > University of Bristol, Bristol BS8 1TN, UK. phone:+44(0)117-9287096 > > > xml-dev: A list for W3C XML Developers. To post, mailto:xml-dev@i... > Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/ and on CD-ROM/ISBN 981-02-3594-1 > To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; > (un)subscribe xml-dev > To subscribe to the digests, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; > subscribe xml-dev-digest > List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@i...) > > xml-dev: A list for W3C XML Developers. To post, mailto:xml-dev@i... Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/ and on CD-ROM/ISBN 981-02-3594-1 To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; (un)subscribe xml-dev To subscribe to the digests, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; subscribe xml-dev-digest List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@i...)
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