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Hi Jason, I think that this was obvious since the beginning. XML is like SGML it let you create your _own_ language. So nothing refrain Corel to create its own language, Microsoft to do so, etc... HTML is different, it is an application or domain specific language. Even imperfect, it is more standard because the vocabulary is already created and defined. But XHTML opens some doors.... I could say however that even if Microsoft is proprietary, even if Coral XML could also be proprietary, it is improvement on what we got. Why? Now I can use a style or transformation language to convert, manipulate, display these documents. So, I can use DSSSL, XSL, omnimark, etc.. languages to manipulate the HTML/XML output into something else. This is, in my own view an opinion, an improvement from what we got. I never expected Microsoft to use a XML standard (is there any, anyway?) for its office documents. I am a too old monkey to believe in Santa Claus :-))) But, now, office document could be manipulated with style and transformation languages and this is good news to me because, we can now transform office documents into any desired document architecture and still benefit from the user friendly interface Office products have (and so do Corel products). I know by experience that it is hard to convince end users to use other tools than the ones they like. And they like the way word processors work. Guys, why don't we take this opportunity to show WebReview people that style and transformation language like DSSSL, PERL_XML, XSL could be used to obtain what we want. This would be more constructive than playing the national sport: Microsoft bashing, sit, and snip a beer and do nothing. Come on, this is opportunity in fact, we can show that going from previous format to HTML/XML is a new opportunity for text manipulation and transformation. But I know, this means, stop putting faults on someone else shoulder, stop drinking beer until the job is finished and finally _do_ something. A simple sentence: _just_ _do_ _it_! Anyway, thanks for the info, even if this info do not help us in any way. Except give more fuel to the government attorney. Don't worry, Microsoft cannot do anymore what they want now. But we have to use more our brains too. And I know criticism is easier than _doing_ things. I am playing a bit now to create dsssl scripts that transform a Word output document into a different document architecture. In the process, I learned a lot, especially that now, it is a lot more easier than when the format was word proprietary format. If Corel and Lotus do the same, it will be easier to convert a document created from one editor to an other. (PS: this is not intended to you Jason, you just awoken a sleeping monster). Regards Didier PH Martin mailto:martind@n... http://www.netfolder.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-xml-dev@i... [mailto:owner-xml-dev@i...]On Behalf Of Buss, Jason A Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 1999 8:24 AM To: 'xml-dev@i...' Subject: Webdeveloper article on MS-XML in Office 2000.... Has anyone read the latest article on XML implementation in Office 2000? http://webreview.com/wr/pub/1999/04/02/edge/index.html?wwwrrr_19990402.txt <SOAPBOX stance='atop'> What does the STANDARDIZATION of XML have to do with enforcing a software standard? If Lotus and Corel and all these other office suite vendors adopt XML as the standard reads, and Microsoft maims XML implementation so that an XML doc saved in Office 2000 can't be read by other vendors' applications, does it not become clear who is in the wrong here? No one (that I can think of) WANTS Microsoft to implement their own 'flavor' of XML. The whole point of XML (I gathered) was so that anyone's browser (or application) could open and read ranting.xml without fear of not having the "right" software to read the document. I have Office (I have no choice, since it's the "standard") but when I have to share something, If I can't fit it in Outlook (another "standard") then I attach a .txt file. I don't have to worry about anyone's application not supporting that. If it's too big, or needs graphics, then I post it on the web or intranet, in HTML 3.2 (no DHTML or stinkin' BLINK tags) and forget about it, cuz I know noone should have trouble reading it. Just like the guy in this article. Why not apply the same logic to his documents that he does to his webpages? Then he doesn't have to chastise anyone (like anyone using Linux) about not using Word. Ok, I feel a bit better now.... </SOAPBOX> Jason A. Buss Single Engine Technical Publications Cessna Aircraft Co. jabuss@c... "I don't dislike Microsoft products... 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