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At 00:18 13/09/98 -0400, Frank Boumphrey wrote: >I think that the whole of this thread has been overly pesamistic. Probably :-). I certainly think we should drop the thread title. The intention was to catalyse XML-DEV members to think of ways that we could and can show XML in action. What we have discovered is that there are very few XML documents currently being delivered over the WWW. For many of us who see XML as a communication medium *and philosophy* this is a pity. I think it makes it harder to develop tools to work with specs like XLink, XPointer, Namespaces because we don't have example documents to work with. And this is cyclic, because those creating documents don't have tools to create documents with and don't have people who can read them. So, at the moment we can only talk about those applications. I'd like to think we can develop early demonstrations of some of the exciting concepts of XML. [I think XML - as a family - is much more than simply Moore's law - 'faster, more searchable web']. > >The beauty of XML is in it's simplicity, it is the 'Mona Lisa' of the web. >As long as the underlying spec. is not fiddled with too much, it is bound to >prevail. > >Admittedly some of the spin off's of XML have been kludgy and model's of >murky ambiguity, but they will suffer the demise they deserve. The amazing >thing is that some of the standards have real potential. As other writers >have pointed out, when new standards come out there are bound to be several >false trails before the true path is discovered. > >The place of XML for the storage of documents and data is surely assured, >but ap's based on these fundamentals are not 'sexy'. Sexy functions almost >by definition are functions that make the press say "wow'. > >I believe we have such an 'ap' right now. Great. > >Having just finished 'hacking' the IE5 support for XML and the DOM, I am >amazed. Combined they can be used to retrieve any XML document and can >display it in almost any form we want on a (IE5 compatible, ah, there's the >rub!) browser. 'almost any form' is rather optimistic unless you are restricting yourself to human-readable material. If you want to do Math you need math-aware software (and, of course, chemistry). > >I have not yet hacked the mozilla version of XML, but from what I hear it >will also give internet functionality to XML. > >When this happens we can really expect XML to take off. I was pleased to find that the documents from scripting.com and cnet.com displayed automatically in JUMBO2 without loss of useful information. These have virtually no 'text' - they are all structure. So I am also optimistic that we can start sending structure over the wire - let's try some experiments. > >Several writers have expressed dissapointment that there are not more XML >'ap's' out there one year (actually only 7 months!!) after the release of >the recommendation. I think this shows how warped our perspective has >become, 7 month's is a very short time, and it took at least a year after >the release of Mosaic for the web to gain real momentum. No - it was much faster with early adopters. By end-1993 there were several new sites daily (I have an old 'What's new at NCSA' and the doubling time was about 10 weeks. The early XML timelines seem to have slipped [could WG members comment?]. I think it was expected that by now we would have full recommendations for XLink [it was apparently XLink that *really* excited people back in Spring 1997]. Is there a revised timescale? > >To write a good app.takes time, and I am actually suprised at how fast tings >are moving. There are several good programs out there, admittedly of the >'experimental' kind. Perhaps we need some collation of 'The Best of XML' to be able to show to people what it is capable of. >All I can say is "Don't get depressed, keep the faith!!". We may squabble on >this list, but we (or rather XML) are bound to prevail because our cause is We don't squabble! And we continue to remain focussed on development. This thread has perhaps just been a small amount of refocussing. I shall continue to try to attract the enthusiasts - please point them at XML-DEV if you find them. P. Peter Murray-Rust, Director Virtual School of Molecular Sciences, domestic net connection VSMS http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/vsms, Virtual Hyperglossary http://www.venus.co.uk/vhg xml-dev: A list for W3C XML Developers. To post, mailto:xml-dev@i... Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; (un)subscribe xml-dev To subscribe to the digests, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; subscribe xml-dev-digest List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@i...)
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