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--- In  "cmcmillan3" <cmcmillan3@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone have a tool or know the math to create a GTIN based on a
> UPC code?  I had a little utitlity that did this in Excel but I cannot
> find it.  I need to create 3 GTIN's and am going crazy.
> Any help is appreciated.
> -Carl
>

of course there is an on-line resource!

http://www.gs1.com/productssolutions/idkeys/support/check_digit_calculator.html

--- Earl Wertheimer < wrote:

> Carl
>
>
=MOD(10-MOD(SUMPRODUCT(--(MID(E3,{1,3,5,7,9,11},1)))*3+SUMPRODUCT(--
> (MID(E3,{2,4,6,8,10},1))),10),10)
>
> is the formula for the UPC checkdigit (12 digits)
>
> Just add digits 12 & 13 (to the even/odd sections)
>
>
=MOD(10-MOD(SUMPRODUCT(--(MID(E3,{1,3,5,7,9,11,13},1)))*3+SUMPRODUCT(--
> (MID(E3,{2,4,6,8,10,12},1))),10),10)
>
> There are probably some on-line tools that you can
> use to check the
> calculation...
>
>
>
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From: Earl Wertheimer [mailto:
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To: 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] GTIN Generated from UPC

Carl

E3 is the cell with the complete number (with check digit).
(You should change that to A3)

The formula goes in C3 to the right.
I also added: =IF(VALUE(RIGHT(A3))=C3,"OK","error") which compares the last
digit in A3 to the calculated check-digit...  If the chkdigit is correct,
you
see 'OK'

I can't attach worksheets here...

To:              cmcmillan3 <

Priority:        normal
From:            Earl Wertheimer <
Date sent:       Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:49:18 -0400
Subject:         Re: [EDI-L] GTIN Generated from UPC

> Carl
>
> =MOD(10-MOD(SUMPRODUCT(--(MID(E3,{1,3,5,7,9,11},1)))*3+SUMPRODUCT(--
> (MID(E3,{2,4,6,8,10},1))),10),10)
>
> is the formula for the UPC checkdigit (12 digits)
>
> Just add digits 12 & 13 (to the even/odd sections)
>
> =MOD(10-MOD(SUMPRODUCT(--(MID(E3,{1,3,5,7,9,11,13},1)))*3+SUMPRODUCT(--
> (MID(E3,{2,4,6,8,10,12},1))),10),10)
>
> There are probably some on-line tools that you can use to check the
> calculation...
>
>
>
> To:              
> From:            "cmcmillan3" <
> Date sent:       Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:56:23 -0000
> Subject:         [EDI-L] GTIN Generated from UPC
>
> > Does anyone have a tool or know the math to create a GTIN based on a
> > UPC code?  I had a little utitlity that did this in Excel but I cannot
> > find it.  I need to create 3 GTIN's and am going crazy.
> > Any help is appreciated.
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E3 is the cell with the complete number (with check digit).
(You should change that to A3)

The formula goes in C3 to the right.
I also added: =IF(VALUE(RIGHT(A3))=C3,"OK","error") which compares the last
digit in A3 to the calculated check-digit...  If the chkdigit is correct, you
see 'OK'

I can't attach worksheets here...

To:              cmcmillan3 < 
Priority:        normal
From:            Earl Wertheimer <
Date sent:       Thu, 01 Jun 2006 09:49:18 -0400
Subject:         Re: [EDI-L] GTIN Generated from UPC

> Carl
>
> =MOD(10-MOD(SUMPRODUCT(--(MID(E3,{1,3,5,7,9,11},1)))*3+SUMPRODUCT(--
> (MID(E3,{2,4,6,8,10},1))),10),10)
>
> is the formula for the UPC checkdigit (12 digits)
>
> Just add digits 12 & 13 (to the even/odd sections)
>
> =MOD(10-MOD(SUMPRODUCT(--(MID(E3,{1,3,5,7,9,11,13},1)))*3+SUMPRODUCT(--
> (MID(E3,{2,4,6,8,10,12},1))),10),10)
>
> There are probably some on-line tools that you can use to check the
> calculation...
>
>
>
> To:              
> From:            "cmcmillan3" <
> Date sent:       Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:56:23 -0000
> Subject:         [EDI-L] GTIN Generated from UPC
>
> > Does anyone have a tool or know the math to create a GTIN based on a
> > UPC code?  I had a little utitlity that did this in Excel but I cannot
> > find it.  I need to create 3 GTIN's and am going crazy.
> > Any help is appreciated.
> > -Carl
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=MOD(10-MOD(SUMPRODUCT(--(MID(E3,{1,3,5,7,9,11},1)))*3+SUMPRODUCT(--
(MID(E3,{2,4,6,8,10},1))),10),10)

is the formula for the UPC checkdigit (12 digits)

Just add digits 12 & 13 (to the even/odd sections)

=MOD(10-MOD(SUMPRODUCT(--(MID(E3,{1,3,5,7,9,11,13},1)))*3+SUMPRODUCT(--
(MID(E3,{2,4,6,8,10,12},1))),10),10)

There are probably some on-line tools that you can use to check the
calculation...



To:              
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Date sent:       Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:56:23 -0000
Subject:         [EDI-L] GTIN Generated from UPC

> Does anyone have a tool or know the math to create a GTIN based on a
> UPC code?  I had a little utitlity that did this in Excel but I cannot
> find it.  I need to create 3 GTIN's and am going crazy.
> Any help is appreciated.
> -Carl
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I forgot zeros don't effect the check digit.... :)

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Does anyone have a tool or know the math to create a GTIN based on a
UPC code?  I had a little utitlity that did this in Excel but I cannot
find it.  I need to create 3 GTIN's and am going crazy.
Any help is appreciated.
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Add 2 zeroes to the front and let the check digit recalculate.

If you need to calculate the check digit by hand google "mod-10 calculate".

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-----Original Message-----
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Does anyone have a tool or know the math to create a GTIN based on a
UPC code?  I had a little utitlity that did this in Excel but I cannot
find it.  I need to create 3 GTIN's and am going crazy.
Any help is appreciated.
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UPC code?  I had a little utitlity that did this in Excel but I cannot
find it.  I need to create 3 GTIN's and am going crazy.
Any help is appreciated.
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Greetings,

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They have UCC-128 labels for most of the big guys, and hook in to
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Good luck.

Richard Hug



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Dear Interested List Readers,

If you want a great system to handle your ASNs (especially if your
accounting package is weak on ASN creation), check out Virtual
Logistics' EDI Desktop at
http://www.virtlogic.ca/products/edidesktop.htm. You can contact Robin
Smith at 905-814-1790 x2223 or  for more details.


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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:30 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <tech> Integrated ASN Solution


Greetings,

Another solution that has been proven is Complylink from ESupply.  Their
website is:

www.e-supplylink.com

They have UCC-128 labels for most of the big guys, and hook in to
several
EDI translators.

Good luck.

Richard Hug



On 5/30/06, Travis Truax < wrote:
>
> We are currently evaluating software to fill the ASN+ void. We also
use
> Gentran Server as our translator, and are looking for a package that
will
> only use ONE map for Gentran, and we'll pick and choose what data to
send
> depending on partner maps. Right now EDIsoft Visual ASN looks pretty
good,
> but I still have to go through the demo before we make any decisions.
>
> Travis-
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:06 PM
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> Subject: [EDI-L] <tech> Integrated ASN Solution
>
>
> I earlier posted a message asking for recommendations from the group
as to
> what would be a replacment option for GE's ASN Plus.  I failed to
mention
> that we use Gentran:Server/Integrator for our translator/mapper.
>
>   Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Management is wanting
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Bridget

> I have a client who is considering moving to Great Plains 8.  Can anyone offer
> any feedback on it's abilities?  Likes and dislikes of the software?  So far,
> It's my understanding that Great Plains uses V-Sink for EDI translation in
> conjunction with Gentran for communications only.  Will Great Plains integrate
> whith any other EDI Translator or is it set up to only be compatible with the
> above as mentioned?  Any information anyone can offer us on these products and
> how they are used together is help full.

No comment on GP, since we don't use it.
We have a client where we send a file to GP with PO data and get a file for
Invoices.  GP can easily import and export data, so you shouldn't feel 'locked
in' to any solution...

I don't think that GP comes with any EDI built in.  The people selling it will
probably recommend something that they are familiar with.  I'm sure that
Microsoft can also sell you a BizTalk connector...

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

Greetings,

Another solution that has been proven is Complylink from ESupply.  Their
website is:

www.e-supplylink.com

They have UCC-128 labels for most of the big guys, and hook in to several
EDI translators.

Good luck.

Richard Hug



On 5/30/06, Travis Truax < wrote:
>
> We are currently evaluating software to fill the ASN+ void. We also use
> Gentran Server as our translator, and are looking for a package that will
> only use ONE map for Gentran, and we'll pick and choose what data to send
> depending on partner maps. Right now EDIsoft Visual ASN looks pretty good,
> but I still have to go through the demo before we make any decisions.
>
> Travis-
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Josiah [mailto:
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:06 PM
> To: 
> Subject: [EDI-L] <tech> Integrated ASN Solution
>
>
> I earlier posted a message asking for recommendations from the group as to
> what would be a replacment option for GE's ASN Plus.  I failed to mention
> that we use Gentran:Server/Integrator for our translator/mapper.
>
>   Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Management is wanting to
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Greetings,

I have had clients that have used Ebridge. They provide an out of the box
solution.  Their website is:

www.ebridge.com

You will still need some help understanding how to properly use EDI, but the
technical side is done.

Regards,

Richard Hug

On 5/30/06, Art Douglas < wrote:
>
> Nathan is being very modest.  The translator supplied by his company,
> Softshare, has the capability to do what he recommends, and to do it very
> well.  You will also find it a cost-effective solution backed up by
> excellent customer support.
>
> Art - a satisfied customer of Nathan and Softshare
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Nathan Camp <
> >Sent: May 30, 2006 6:58 PM
> >To: Bridget Carpenter <
> 
> >Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Great Plains 8 - EDI Implementations
> >
> >Bridget,
> >
> >VSync is not the only translator that will work. Actually, I think VSync
> >is a reseller with another software vendor's translator under the hood.
> >Since Great Plains is a Microsoft product, you will also see information
> >about MS BizTalk as an option for translators. Most of the good
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> >use the Integration Manager utility.
> >
> >Great Plains offers the Integration Manager utility to manually
> >import/export translated data files. Since this utility can get
> >cumbersome with high volumes of transactions, we recommend to our
> >clients that if they exceed 200 transactions per week, they should
> >read/write directly to the SQL database instead (the translator you
> >choose should be able to provide at least EDI, database, and data file
> >conversions).
> >
> >Hope this is helpful,
> >
> >Nathan Camp
> >Channel Sales Manager
> >Softshare, Inc.
> >911 Olive St.
> >Santa Barbara, CA 93101
> >www.Softshare.com
> >Phone: 800-346-6703
> >Fax: 805-882-2599
> >
> >
> >
> >  _____
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> >
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> >Will Great Plains integrate whith any other EDI Translator or is it set
> >up to only be compatible with the above as mentioned?  Any information
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Nathan is being very modest.  The translator supplied by his company, Softshare,
has the capability to do what he recommends, and to do it very well.  You will
also find it a cost-effective solution backed up by excellent customer support.

Art - a satisfied customer of Nathan and Softshare

-----Original Message-----
>From: Nathan Camp <
>Sent: May 30, 2006 6:58 PM
>To: Bridget Carpenter < 
>Subject: RE: [EDI-L] Great Plains 8 - EDI Implementations
>
>Bridget,
>
>VSync is not the only translator that will work. Actually, I think VSync
>is a reseller with another software vendor's translator under the hood.
>Since Great Plains is a Microsoft product, you will also see information
>about MS BizTalk as an option for translators. Most of the good
>translators regularly featured on this List should work for you if you
>use the Integration Manager utility.
>
>Great Plains offers the Integration Manager utility to manually
>import/export translated data files. Since this utility can get
>cumbersome with high volumes of transactions, we recommend to our
>clients that if they exceed 200 transactions per week, they should
>read/write directly to the SQL database instead (the translator you
>choose should be able to provide at least EDI, database, and data file
>conversions).
>
>Hope this is helpful,
>
>Nathan Camp
>Channel Sales Manager
>Softshare, Inc.
>911 Olive St.
>Santa Barbara, CA 93101
>www.Softshare.com
>Phone: 800-346-6703
>Fax: 805-882-2599
>
>
>
>  _____
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>From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
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>Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:19 PM
>To: 
>Subject: [EDI-L] Great Plains 8 - EDI Implementations
>
>
>I have a client who is considering moving to Great Plains 8.  Can anyone
>offer any feedback on it's abilities?  Likes and dislikes of the
>software?  So far, It's my understanding that Great Plains uses V-Sink
>for EDI translation in conjunction with Gentran for communications only.
>Will Great Plains integrate whith any other EDI Translator or is it set
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Bridget,

VSync is not the only translator that will work. Actually, I think VSync
is a reseller with another software vendor's translator under the hood.
Since Great Plains is a Microsoft product, you will also see information
about MS BizTalk as an option for translators. Most of the good
translators regularly featured on this List should work for you if you
use the Integration Manager utility.

Great Plains offers the Integration Manager utility to manually
import/export translated data files. Since this utility can get
cumbersome with high volumes of transactions, we recommend to our
clients that if they exceed 200 transactions per week, they should
read/write directly to the SQL database instead (the translator you
choose should be able to provide at least EDI, database, and data file
conversions).

Hope this is helpful,

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Channel Sales Manager
Softshare, Inc.
911 Olive St.
Santa Barbara, CA 93101
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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 12:19 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] Great Plains 8 - EDI Implementations


I have a client who is considering moving to Great Plains 8.  Can anyone
offer any feedback on it's abilities?  Likes and dislikes of the
software?  So far, It's my understanding that Great Plains uses V-Sink
for EDI translation in conjunction with Gentran for communications only.
Will Great Plains integrate whith any other EDI Translator or is it set
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   Thanks,
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It's my understanding that Great Plains uses V-Sink for EDI translation in
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We are currently evaluating software to fill the ASN+ void. We also use
Gentran Server as our translator, and are looking for a package that will
only use ONE map for Gentran, and we'll pick and choose what data to send
depending on partner maps. Right now EDIsoft Visual ASN looks pretty good,
but I still have to go through the demo before we make any decisions.

Travis-

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I earlier posted a message asking for recommendations from the group as to
what would be a replacment option for GE's ASN Plus.  I failed to mention
that we use Gentran:Server/Integrator for our translator/mapper.

   Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Management is wanting to
move quickly on this.

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Hello,
   The company I am working for currently uses GE's ASN Plust to integrate 856's
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Hi All,

We are an Australian Retailer looking to fill a permanent position for a Senior
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Details are listed below. If you are interested please email me your resume.
Many Thanks.


> Regards,
>
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I thought Sharon was a Canuk.

Thanks,
Martin Morrison


-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Mike Rawlins
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2006 12:18 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <JOBS>Interoperability Testing Position, Ft. Worth,
Texas


If my assumptions about the return address domain are correct, leave it
to a dry, British sense of humor to pull our legs this well. Very well
done!

Mike

sharonus_1234 wrote:
> We are looking to fill a recent opening of the position of President
> in our company. Here are the specifics:
>
> * drive the adoption for standards by focusing on the
>         technological benefits of interoperability and conformance
>         testing.
> * lead marketing initiatives and coordinated industry pilots
>         while building alliances with the standards community
> * Not put ignorant posts on the EDI-L bulletin board
> * Build strong alliances with early adopters in multiple
>         vertical industries
>
> If you are interested please send your resume, rate, and a summary of
> experience as it relates to the following:
>
>
> Drummond Group Inc.
> 4700 Bryant Irvin Court, Suite 303
> Ft Worth, TX 76107-7645
> phone: 817-294-7339
> fax: 817-294-7950
>
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If my assumptions about the return address domain are correct, leave it
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done!

Mike

sharonus_1234 wrote:
> We are looking to fill a recent opening of the position of President
> in our company. Here are the specifics:
>
> • drive the adoption for standards by focusing on the
>         technological benefits of interoperability and conformance
>         testing.
> • lead marketing initiatives and coordinated industry pilots
>         while building alliances with the standards community
> • Not put ignorant posts on the EDI-L bulletin board
> • Build strong alliances with early adopters in multiple
>         vertical industries
>
> If you are interested please send your resume, rate, and a summary of
> experience as it relates to the following:
>
>
> Drummond Group Inc.
> 4700 Bryant Irvin Court, Suite 303
> Ft Worth, TX 76107-7645
> phone: 817-294-7339
> fax: 817-294-7950
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Earl,

I don't think you're going to get a reply from Beth.

It looks like she's gone.

You interested?

Dave

Dave Taylor
President
Sysmark Information Systems, Inc.
49 Aspen Way
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:58 PM
Subject: [EDI-L] <JOBS>Interoperability Testing Position, Ft. Worth, Texas


We are looking to fill a recent opening of the position of President
in our company. Here are the specifics:

. drive the adoption for standards by focusing on the
         technological benefits of interoperability and conformance
         testing.
. lead marketing initiatives and coordinated industry pilots
         while building alliances with the standards community
. Not put ignorant posts on the EDI-L bulletin board
. Build strong alliances with early adopters in multiple
         vertical industries

If you are interested please send your resume, rate, and a summary of
experience as it relates to the following:


Drummond Group Inc.
4700 Bryant Irvin Court, Suite 303
Ft Worth, TX 76107-7645
phone: 817-294-7339
fax: 817-294-7950








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I'm still waiting for a reply from Bath.  I could be wrong about the Drummond
certification pricing, and if I am, I would like to have the correct
information.

---------------------------------
Beth

How much is enrollment for a new product?
How much does it cost per year after that?

You wrote "The facts are that Drummond Certified AS2 testing costs $10,000
per test".  Per test means what, exactly?  How many tests are required to
be certified?

The price to certify a new product was well over $50,000 US.  True or
false?

Are you saying that I can put together software based on OpenAS2 and have
it certified for $10,000 ?
------------------------------------

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

Steve

Howards reply reminds me of the current situation with Sears Canada.  Their
850/POs are accompanied by an 864/Text document which is used to print some
special shipping labels.  This is done for their big ticket, direct to customer
items, where a special 6" x 6" label has to be printed with the customer name,
address, etc....

I've seen 850/POs with many MTX text lines, but I don't remember seeing those
segments on the 810/Inv.

In addition, the 810 is designed to be loaded into their AP system, so that you
can get paid.  Most systems are going to ignore all the PID stuff that you send
anyways.

I would recommend sending an 864 in parallel with each 810.



To:              <
From:            "Parks, Howard" <
Date sent:       Thu, 25 May 2006 14:06:14 -0500
Subject:         RE: [EDI-L] Handling unstructured text associated with an 810

> EDI does not deal well with unstructured text.  The standard method for
> reducing the volume is to assign codes as shorthand for the various
> options.  I would look at the code lists currently in the standards and
> see if this problem has not already been addressed by one of your
> competitors.
>
> Why does the invoice need to carry this detail?  I can understand the
> need for a detailed PO describing what is desired, but the invoice need
> only refer back to the line number of the PO.
>
> Howard Parks
> 1 Peter 4:10
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
> Steve D. Becker
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:53 PM
> To: 
> Subject: [EDI-L] Handling unstructured text associated with an 810
>
> We have a number of vendors that have traditionally included a lot of
> unstructured text on their paper invoices, and this has presented
> problems in moving these vendors to 810s.
> <SNIP>

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

Hi Steve,

I hope this doesn't get me shot by the group, but
perhaps you may want to entertain the idea of
implementing the 811 Consolidated Invoice.  Originally
used by the phone companies, I used it in the
autoglass industry to send invoices to the insurance
companies.  It is a complex document--I think that
only the 835 Healthcare Claim is more complex.  The
last time I worked with it, probably about eight years
ago, it used seven levels of HL looping structure.
The tracking of the present location in the hierarchy
broke the GUI mapper's back.  I had to use the
programming language associated with the translator in
order to get a map that would work.

One side benefit of taking this direction is it may
scare some of your trading partners into rethinking
the importance of all of that "important data".  You
can provide them with enough information that they
will think that they are trying to take a little slurp
from a raging fire hose.  They'll have a blast trying
to build the map for this one.

Good Luck,
Butch M.

--- "Steve D. Becker" <
wrote:

> We have a number of vendors that have traditionally
> included a lot of
> unstructured text on their paper invoices, and this
> has presented
> problems in moving these vendors to 810s. Using the
> IT1/PID loop, we
> have developed the capability to process a modest
> amount of text
> associated with each detail line, but we have not
> gone far enough to
> address the considerable volume of text needed when
> the invoice is for
> custom items, i.e., items that involve custom
> embroidery, decals,
> colors, reconditioning services, etc. In addition,
> some of the text
> needs to be associated with the entire 810, not just
> with a specific
> line.
>
> It appears that we could take the brute-force
> approach and simply use a
> lot of occurrences of (1) the IT1/PID loop to handle
> the line-related
> text and (2) the ISS summary loop (which includes a
> PID segment) to
> handle the text associated with the entire invoice.
> (We would also have
> to make considerable mods to our line-of-business
> system as well, which
> was not designed to accommodate a novel within each
> 810.) I'm hoping
> there is a better way. It just doesn't seem to me
> that the 810 was ever
> intended to do this sort of thing, and yet I
> understand the business
> needs of these vendors. Any suggestions will be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve Becker
> Sports, Inc.
>
>
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>
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That was just too darn funny for a Wednesday night, Sharon.
I skimmed right over it.

It wasn't till I heard about the verdicts in the Enron Exec trials that
something clicked.
:
Had to go to the Drummond site and look up Rik's bio, again.

"In addition, Drummond currently serves as chairman of 13 on the
GridWise Architecture Council. GridWise is a U.S. Department of Energy
(DOE) task group focused on defining the next generation of information
systems for the national electrical generation and distribution power
grids. "

Thanks,
Martin Morrison

	 -----Original Message-----
	 From:  [mailto: On
Behalf Of sharonus_1234
	 Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 6:59 PM
	 To: 
	 Subject: [EDI-L] <JOBS>Interoperability Testing Position, Ft.
Worth, Texas


	 We are looking to fill a recent opening of the position of
President
	 in our company. Here are the specifics:

	 *      drive the adoption for standards by focusing on the
	         technological benefits of interoperability and
conformance
	         testing.
	 *      lead marketing initiatives and coordinated industry
pilots
	         while building alliances with the standards community
	 *      Not put ignorant posts on the EDI-L bulletin board
	 *      Build strong alliances with early adopters in multiple
	         vertical industries

	 If you are interested please send your resume, rate, and a
summary of
	 experience as it relates to the following:


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	 4700 Bryant Irvin Court, Suite 303
	 Ft Worth, TX 76107-7645
	 phone: 817-294-7339
	 fax: 817-294-7950







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> EDI does not deal well with unstructured text.  The standard method for
> reducing the volume is to assign codes as shorthand for the various
> options.

Witness: the FLSA Compliance PID segment everyone who gets 810 invoices wants.

(Like anyone really checks it!).

MCM

EDI does not deal well with unstructured text.  The standard method for
reducing the volume is to assign codes as shorthand for the various
options.  I would look at the code lists currently in the standards and
see if this problem has not already been addressed by one of your
competitors.

Why does the invoice need to carry this detail?  I can understand the
need for a detailed PO describing what is desired, but the invoice need
only refer back to the line number of the PO.

Howard Parks
1 Peter 4:10

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Steve D. Becker
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 12:53 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] Handling unstructured text associated with an 810

We have a number of vendors that have traditionally included a lot of
unstructured text on their paper invoices, and this has presented
problems in moving these vendors to 810s.
<SNIP>

We have a number of vendors that have traditionally included a lot of
unstructured text on their paper invoices, and this has presented
problems in moving these vendors to 810s. Using the IT1/PID loop, we
have developed the capability to process a modest amount of text
associated with each detail line, but we have not gone far enough to
address the considerable volume of text needed when the invoice is for
custom items, i.e., items that involve custom embroidery, decals,
colors, reconditioning services, etc. In addition, some of the text
needs to be associated with the entire 810, not just with a specific
line.

It appears that we could take the brute-force approach and simply use a
lot of occurrences of (1) the IT1/PID loop to handle the line-related
text and (2) the ISS summary loop (which includes a PID segment) to
handle the text associated with the entire invoice. (We would also have
to make considerable mods to our line-of-business system as well, which
was not designed to accommodate a novel within each 810.) I'm hoping
there is a better way. It just doesn't seem to me that the 810 was ever
intended to do this sort of thing, and yet I understand the business
needs of these vendors. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Steve Becker
Sports, Inc.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Can anyone help me with how to flag a record once it is read from the
database on an outbound read. This is a BizManager implementation,
direct from database (Oracle) to BizManager (database to X12 EDI). We
know we can do it from within the database on a timer basis, but we're
hoping for a more real time way to do it within Biz just as soon as the
record is read (to avoid the obvious duplication issue).
Thanks,
John

Thanks for everybody's help!  It was a combination of suggestions that
helped me solve the dilemma.  Because I am trying to use the files from
SAP as SAP creates them through the IDOC processing, the file names are
limited.  I could ask a script to be created to rename, but my goal is to
do this without scripts.  So, I added the *.* entry to my System Import
configuration.  Then, I used the Application/Import content type on my
collection mailbox to correspond to the Mailbox configuration that would
use GDW_MBImport.

This will be a great enhancement to my system.  The passing from mailbox
to mailbox is eating up alot of space on my server for no good reason.

Thanks again to everyone who responded.

Cindy

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To

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Re: [edi_gns] Gentran NT Server 5.0 mailbox question






Cindy,
   if I understand correctly, all you ultimately want
to do is import this file into Gentran so it can be
sent, is that correct? So, you are using a GDW_Import
on the filename that is extracted from the mailbox,
correct?

If so, then you should take a look at using the
Application/Import content type. That will allow you
to run an import on data that is received from the
mailbox.

I don't have the document in front of me, but I'm
pretty sure someone in Gentran support has something
that gives you a step-by-step setup of configuring the
mailbox to allow data to import.

---  wrote:

> Hello group,
>
> I've been running Gentran on the server since 2.0.
> Back in the day, in
> order to get the file name I wanted, I had to create
> collection mailbox
> and then an export mailbox to work the file name
> magic.  Here is the
> situation, my application puts several files into a
> directory.  They have
> little control over the name.  It is dynamic and
> they can not specify any
> part of the name.  So, I have created a collection
> mailbox to grab the
> files.  Then I send it to an extract mailbox so that
> I can name it a file
> to be used with my system Import configuration.  So,
> here is my question,
> is there a more efficient way?  These files are
> ready to go into Gentran
> Application other than the file name.  The transfer
> to two mailboxes is a
> problem for two reasons.  It is a very large file,
> SAP IDOCs.  The other
> problem is the number of situations that I have to
> do this.  It has been
> requested that I automate the Import for our
> Production, QAS, and
> development systems.  We have 3 SAP landscapes, so
> that works out to be 9
> situations, 2 mailboxes each.  I would just like to
> know if there is a
> better way.
>
> Any help will be appreciated, thanks!
>
> Cindy


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-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
cicciotom2004
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:41 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] Invoice terms not sent in 850

Hi all

It seems Neiman Marcus does not send the invoice terms in segments ITD
into 850.

Did you already experienced this?
How is someone expected to retrieve such terms once it's time to invoice
810?



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> It seems Neiman Marcus does not send the invoice terms in segments ITD
> into 850.
>
> Did you already experienced this?
> How is someone expected to retrieve such terms once it's time to
> invoice 810?

1) use some default terms for the Partner.  Many TPs have a single set.

2) Get the terms from the ERP system when they send you the invoice quantities.

3) data-entry ;-)

It could be worse.  At least they are sending you a PO.  We have many TPs who
want Invoices, but don't send POs

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When you create a collection mailbox to collect files from SAP make
Gentran Application mailbox as a recipient of your collection mailbox
(option on the collection tab). This way it will be picked up and
translated by Gentran automatically. The documents will end up in the
Out Drawer and from there your can schedule a Send session to run and
send them out. We've automated everything here so let me know if I
misunderstood your question.



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From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Travis Truax
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 2:12 PM
To:  
Subject: [EDI-L] RE: [edi_gns] Gentran NT Server 5.0 mailbox question



How about a small-app/utility/command-line-script/cron job-whatever that
just moves the files from directory X, renames them for your import,
and
puts them in directory Y ?

I know you said you have no control over the name, but just curious- why
not?

Travis-



-----Original Message-----
From: 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:06 PM
To:  
Subject: [edi_gns] Gentran NT Server 5.0 mailbox question



Hello group,

I've been running Gentran on the server since 2.0.  Back in the day, in
order to get the file name I wanted, I had to create collection mailbox
and
then an export mailbox to work the file name magic.  Here is the
situation,
my application puts several files into a directory.  They have little
control over the name.  It is dynamic and they can not specify any part
of
the name.  So, I have created a collection mailbox to grab the files.
Then
I send it to an extract mailbox so that I can name it a file to be used
with
my system Import configuration.  So, here is my question, is there a
more
efficient way?  These files are ready to go into Gentran Application
other
than the file name.  The transfer to two mailboxes is a problem for two
reasons.  It is a very large file, SAP IDOCs.  The other problem is the
number of situations that I have to do this.  It has been requested that
I
automate the Import for our Production, QAS, and development systems.
We
have 3 SAP landscapes, so that works out to be 9 situations, 2 mailboxes
each.  I would just like to know if there is a better way.

Any help will be appreciated, thanks!

Cindy

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> It seems Neiman Marcus does not send the invoice terms in segments ITD
> into 850.
>
> Did you already experienced this?
> How is someone expected to retrieve such terms once it's time to
> invoice 810?

You have to make a business decision: Do you just accept the invoice terms your
customers send on purchase orders? Or are your
invoice terms standard? Or perhaps pre-agreed with the customer?

As long as I've been doing this (20 years and some change) I do not recall ever
having a client tell me to accept the cash terms
transmitted on an '850 Purcharse Order'  document... they have always told me to
get the invoice terms from the customer master file
(or sales order, depending on what ERP system is in use).

And to correct some advice you got already..
>> From your account payable vendor file maybe?

No, cash terms on outbound 810 invoices come from the *customer A/R*  file...
(see above).

Michael Mattias
Tal Systems, Inc.
Racine WI

How about a small-app/utility/command-line-script/cron job-whatever that
just moves the files from directory X, renames them for your import,  and
puts them in directory Y ?

I know you said you have no control over the name, but just curious- why
not?

Travis-



-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:06 PM
To:  
Subject: [edi_gns] Gentran NT Server 5.0 mailbox question



Hello group,

I've been running Gentran on the server since 2.0.  Back in the day, in
order to get the file name I wanted, I had to create collection mailbox and
then an export mailbox to work the file name magic.  Here is the situation,
my application puts several files into a directory.  They have little
control over the name.  It is dynamic and they can not specify any part of
the name.  So, I have created a collection mailbox to grab the files.  Then
I send it to an extract mailbox so that I can name it a file to be used with
my system Import configuration.  So, here is my question, is there a more
efficient way?  These files are ready to go into Gentran Application other
than the file name.  The transfer to two mailboxes is a problem for two
reasons.  It is a very large file, SAP IDOCs.  The other problem is the
number of situations that I have to do this.  It has been requested that I
automate the Import for our Production, QAS, and development systems.  We
have 3 SAP landscapes, so that works out to be 9 situations, 2 mailboxes
each.  I would just like to know if there is a better way.

Any help will be appreciated, thanks!

Cindy

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From your account payable vendor file maybe?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:41 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] Invoice terms not sent in 850

Hi all

It seems Neiman Marcus does not send the invoice terms in segments ITD
into 850.

Did you already experienced this?
How is someone expected to retrieve such terms once it's time to
invoice 810?



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Hi all

It seems Neiman Marcus does not send the invoice terms in segments ITD
into 850.

Did you already experienced this?
How is someone expected to retrieve such terms once it's time to
invoice 810?



thanks

Hello group,

I've been running Gentran on the server since 2.0.  Back in the day, in
order to get the file name I wanted, I had to create collection mailbox
and then an export mailbox to work the file name magic.  Here is the
situation, my application puts several files into a directory.  They have
little control over the name.  It is dynamic and they can not specify any
part of the name.  So, I have created a collection mailbox to grab the
files.  Then I send it to an extract mailbox so that I can name it a file
to be used with my system Import configuration.  So, here is my question,
is there a more efficient way?  These files are ready to go into Gentran
Application other than the file name.  The transfer to two mailboxes is a
problem for two reasons.  It is a very large file, SAP IDOCs.  The other
problem is the number of situations that I have to do this.  It has been
requested that I automate the Import for our Production, QAS, and
development systems.  We have 3 SAP landscapes, so that works out to be 9
situations, 2 mailboxes each.  I would just like to know if there is a
better way.

Any help will be appreciated, thanks!

Cindy

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Rich,

It would depend on the AS2 software you use, but we use Cleo's VL Trader
(LexiCom).

I can envision calling a pre-action batch file to copy the files to a new
directory and
then using some scripting within the product to replace IDs before the send.

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Beth

How much is enrollment for a new product?
How much does it cost per year after that?

You wrote "The facts are that Drummond Certified AS2 testing costs $10,000 per
test".  Per test means what, exactly?  How many tests are required to be
certified?

The price to certify a new product was well over $50,000 US.  True or false?

Are you saying that I can put together software based on OpenAS2 and have it
certified for $10,000 ?



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> The facts are that Drummond Certified AS2 testing costs $10,000 per test
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Hi,

Did any of you get a chance to work with the Oracle Integration Product for
solving EDI Needs ?

If yes, any comments on the translator ?

Thank You.

Regards,
Prasad.



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webMethods is a wonderful integrator.

It is, IMHO, a lousy EDI translator.

We are working with Trading Networks as a transport layer.  Other sectors
within JNJ have also deployed webMethods as an EDI engine although we are
still mulling over our options regarding a shift in translator technology.

We also have a strict QA regime that most companies don't have, as we have a
mix of validated and non-validated (CFR Part 21) systems to deal with.   So
our work estimates can be viewed as somewhat conservative.  (cough)

We can usually get a trading partner up and tested in development within a
couple of days based on phone tag, emails and exchange of certs, etc.
However, we need to repeat our testing through several different layers of
webMethods integration to satisfy the CSV requirements, so a trading partner
UAT can easily last a few weeks - or more if we run into problems.   And if
there's a failure at any level, we "drop back" to the previous level and
repeat the test until it's successful.

Not a pretty sight.  :)

Also, the tools for reportage within Trading Networks are not as robust as
those that I've seen in a traditional translation tool.   Neither is it very
good at handling large files.  We generally fling around files of a few kB
in size but we have gusts to 40MB.   webMethods has a lot more difficulty
with those than it does with the 2K and 3K files.  (To be fair, the vast
majority - 95% - of our files are under 2K.)

From where I sit, if you're using webMethods because you are being forced
to, then I guess the best thing to do is wish you luck.  However, if you're
doing it because it's AS2 compatible or for some other technology reason,
I'd take a good hard look at existing EDI platforms before I plunked down
the cash for webMethods.

Again, this is MHO, speaking only for myself, $include STD_DISCLAIMER.

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: Behalf Of

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:04 AM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] Feedback on webMethods?



Hello,

We are currently evaluating webMethods software, and I am looking for
feedback from experienced users.  Specifically, we are considering using
Trading Networks (as the gateway – both inbound and outbound), the Modeler,
and the webMethods Process Runtime engine.

I have been asked to provide my sense of the level of effort to set up a
new customer.  The business scenario would be a customer sending an inbound
flat file that would be mapped into an X12 820 (used as a "canonical"
format). I'm being asked for both an approximate estimate of the time
required to do the setup and mapping, as well as the level of webMethods
expertise required to do it.  I realize there are a lot of unknowns in this
scenario, but I am interested to hear what you all have experienced with
this software.

Thank you,


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Beth,

What's the cost today to get a hosted or behind-the-firewall data sync
solution certified by Drummond to become a Preferred Solution Provider for
GS1 (nee UCCNet)?

The last time I looked (when it was still UCCNet), it was $60,000 and 1-2
years for the initial battery of tests plus periodic follow-on charges for
retesting as the standards changed.

A fee of  $10,000 is still outrageous for any one test when we've been
testing EDI translators and communications tools for decades directly with
our Trading Partners and VANs with minimal failure rates and at minimal
costs without any fees whatsoever.

If a product doesn't work, the marketplace will take of that problem.

It's also galling when the guy who defines the standards allows only one
organization to do the testing, and then goes out and starts and owns part,
if not all, of  that organization so he can charge whatever he wants to
charge without fear of competition.

The fox is not only watching the hen house, he's eating the hens.

You should be ashamed of yourself defending a practice like that, even if
you are the President (especially if you are the President).

Dave Taylor
President
Sysmark Information Systems, Inc.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Beth Morrow" <
To: <
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


The facts are that Drummond Certified AS2 testing costs $10,000 per test
unlike "$50,000 plus a huge

yearly fee " as Earl Wertheimer said.  We test as often as the supply chains
demand.





Beth Morrow

President

Drummond Group Inc.

www.drummondgroup.com

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of Earl
Wertheimer
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:21 PM
To: Jon Garniss; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2



Jon

> Speaking of the trading partner in Canada, I am wondering why Drummond
> Certification is so important to them? I can do AS2 that follows the
> protocol, yet because my software is not "Drummond Certified", they will
> not allow us to use our software.
>
> What's the big deal with Drummond Certification?

Don't get me started ;-)

If you search the group archive, you will find lots of comments about this.

Hint:  Drummond Certification costs well over $50,000 US, plus a huge yearly

fee. Rik Drummond was the person who chaired the EDIINT committee.

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com



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> Speaking of the trading partner in Canada, I am wondering why Drummond
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> What's the big deal with Drummond Certification?

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Jon

> Speaking of the trading partner in Canada, I am wondering why Drummond
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> protocol, yet because my software is not "Drummond Certified", they will
> not allow us to use our software.
>
> What's the big deal with Drummond Certification?

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Has anyone ever emulated the function of a VAN carbon copy using an AS2
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Hello,

   I would like to know if somebody can help me sending me any type of
documentation of Gentran about, mapping and scripting.

   Thank you.


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Hello,

   I would like to know if somebody can help me sending me any type of
documentation of Gentran about, mapping and scripting.

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I have seen this kind of problems with the GIS 3.1. The best way to resolve this
issue is making changes to translator.properties.in file.

   Changes are adding use byte for each map it uses and also on both input and
output side of the map should have FREE FORMAT and also use the map encoding
MS932.

   If you need further details, let me know I can share that to you tomorrow...

   Praveen

 wrote:
   Hello group,
   I"m running GIS 3.1 on UNIX and have an issue with special character "ée" and
"é" being sent in data. My client does not want to engage the customer to make
data correct. Do anyone have any idea on how I can solve this issue?

   data:
   <NAME>L. Simard Transport Ltée</NAME>
   <SHORT_TEXT>Player's Première Régulier TC 25      QC</SHORT_TEXT>


   I have added the following token and its does not work.

   Start Character is 0x01.
   End Character is 0xff.

   I tried adding a encoding service before translation service and it did not
work

   <operation name="Encoding Conversion">
<participant name="EncodingConversion"/>
<output message="EncodingConversionTypeInputMessage">
<assign to="input_encoding">Cp1252</assign>
<assign to="output_encoding">Cp1252</assign>
<assign to="." from="*"></assign> </output>
<input message="inmsg">
<assign to="." from="*"></assign>
</input>
</operation>


   Thanks for all your help in advance
   Carl


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Hi Carl,
   I would'nt bother about the input type, but I would try output Encoding type
as ISO8859_1 (ISO8859_1). That worked fine for me for Umlaut characters.
   Also, on the map input, open the properties tab, and you could see Encoding
where yoiu can select the type of Encoding you want to.
   Hope this helps,

   Thanks,
   Giri

 wrote:
   Hello group,
   I"m running GIS 3.1 on UNIX and have an issue with special character "ée" and
"é" being sent in data. My client does not want to engage the customer to make
data correct. Do anyone have any idea on how I can solve this issue?

   data:
   <NAME>L. Simard Transport Ltée</NAME>
   <SHORT_TEXT>Player's Première Régulier TC 25      QC</SHORT_TEXT>


   I have added the following token and its does not work.

   Start Character is 0x01.
   End Character is 0xff.

   I tried adding a encoding service before translation service and it did not
work

   <operation name="Encoding Conversion">
<participant name="EncodingConversion"/>
<output message="EncodingConversionTypeInputMessage">
<assign to="input_encoding">Cp1252</assign>
<assign to="output_encoding">Cp1252</assign>
<assign to="." from="*"></assign> </output>
<input message="inmsg">
<assign to="." from="*"></assign>
</input>
</operation>


   Thanks for all your help in advance
   Carl


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Hello group,
   I"m running GIS 3.1 on UNIX and have an issue with special character "ée" and
"é" being sent in data. My client does not want to engage the customer to make
data correct. Do anyone have any idea on how I can solve this issue?

   data:
   <NAME>L. Simard Transport Ltée</NAME>
   <SHORT_TEXT>Player's Première Régulier TC 25      QC</SHORT_TEXT>


   I have added the following token and its does not work.

   Start Character is 0x01.
   End Character is 0xff.

   I tried adding a encoding service before translation service and it did not
work

   <operation name="Encoding Conversion">
  <participant name="EncodingConversion"/>
  <output message="EncodingConversionTypeInputMessage">
  <assign to="input_encoding">Cp1252</assign>
  <assign to="output_encoding">Cp1252</assign>
  <assign to="." from="*"></assign> </output>
  <input message="inmsg">
  <assign to="." from="*"></assign>
  </input>
</operation>


   Thanks for all your help in advance
   Carl


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Good day!

We are looking for a qualified candidate to fill a GIS
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Below are the skills needed:
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Client calls:  Big panic because ASN to SearsUS had failed and had to be
resent.  We found the problem (data-entry) and the ASN was resent, but no 997!
Then they received an email from SearsUS about a missing 997 for a PO that was
never received....  hmmm

Called VAN (Easylink) and was reminded that Sears US had switched from Advantis
to Sterling.  They checked our outgoing to make sure it was now being
interconnected to Sterling.  That was fine, but there was nothing inbound from
Sears for a few days!

After a few frantic emails to Sears, it turns out that another company on the
Sterling network was using the same qualifier & ID as our client on Easylink!
All the outbound documents from SearsUS were being sent to them, instead of
interconnecting to Easylink.

sigh...  Another week, another problem solved ;-)

Moral:  Use a qualifier & ID that are globally unique, if possible.

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

It's a simple rhetorical question.

He said that the maps are done.  As part of testing the maps they are
checked back in and
compiled.  The maps live on the unix box.

It's all in the day one curriculum.

I don't care about burning suits or burning bushes.  I've already been
doused in gasoline and set afire.
Survived that.  You need to learn to duck!

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>   dude, didn't you get trained?
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>   How are you testing the maps without compiling them?
>
>   --- kiran kumar < wrote:
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>   >
>   > Hi ,
>   >
>   >
>   > Once we are done with the mapping and it is uploaded
>   > to Unix Server please let me know how the gentran
>   > workstation is linked to gentarn server and where do
>   > we complie the map.
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Not to defend a lame question. but if you are going from NT to UNIX there is a
bit of difference in how you "Register" objects. The workstation is connected to
the server with wires with Unix and NT. On NT it uses strictly an ODBC interface
that works via TCPIP. On Unix the client is nothing more than a Widget running
on a Linux hack connecting via TCPIP and no ODBC. So registering an object never
occurs because you check it in. That is why my email originally asked what OS
which version. Also on UNix if you are using the VM Wapper it is a different
process altogether. Thinking beyond the windows box you sometimes can find a
deeper question. Still RTFM is the best way and the online support isn't all
that bad.

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"J. Gordon" < wrote:    LMAOROTF.  }:-O

     Some of these questions are just too much.   Come on, dude.  Break the spine
on the reference book and give it a  try.  Even better, most of the new docs are
on PDF.  Search for the key  word you are looking for.  Hmmm... "compile map". 
Maybe.

     You  bring the scorn on yourself when you act like you've got it all 
together and then turn around and ask a question like that one.  Key phrase:
soft-skills.

      Take Care,
      Butch

  stanley pool < wrote:        Satish,

    RTFM --> page 7-38 in the mapping documentation.

    Cheers,

    Stan

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LMAOROTF.  }:-O

    Some of these questions are just too much.   Come on, dude.  Break the spine
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Maybe.

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soft-skills.

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   RTFM --> page 7-38 in the mapping documentation.

   Cheers,

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Does anyone have the latest online or any previous online documentation
for Inovis' AS400 product?

Thanks in advance!

Wal-Mart has their DC locations posted in Retail Link. You have to be a vendor
to access it.

"LiBassi, Margaret" < wrote: If you are a Wal-Mart vendor,
they will provide you with an EDI 816 transaction, which includes all of this
information.

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My apologies in advance if this is not the proper forum for this
question.

Does anyone know where I can find a list of all Wal-Mart, Sam's and
Costco distribution centers (not retail locations)?

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|Behalf Of James Hatcher
|Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 8:12 PM
|To: 
|Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <MISC> HOW GENTRAN SERVER IS LINKED TO
|GENTRAN WORKSTAION
|
|
| Before the board lurkers pounce on me I would like to preface
|this email with a statement:
|I am not prejudiced against Indians in any way, the following
|is about an industry condition that happens to involve India.
|
|
|If you notice many of these open ended questions are from
|people with Indian names.
|
|There is a glut of Indian outsource resources right now. They
|developed viable businesses around ERP / EAI outsource
|implementation work and are moving there focus to other
|applications as the ERP market has matured and shrunk.
|
|We regularly gets requests from Indian organsations asking for
|a "trial license" of our SAP EDI adapters. They have an SAP
|practice and an EDI  prospect / customer they want to support.
|After investigation most of these firms aren't official SAP
|partners and the deal they are working isn't local in India.
|We refer them to our local office wherever in the world the deal is.
|
|I have no proof but I suspect many of the generic help
|questions come from organisations that have offices selling
|cheap EDI resources; the sales guys win a deal, it gets
|shipped offshore to India and the "Consultants" start going
|through the manual to figure out what to do...
|
|
|James
|
|======= 2006-5-18 10:49, your message: Re: [EDI-L] HOW GENTRAN
|SERVER IS LINKED TO GENTRAN WORKSTAION=======
|
|Satish,
|
|RTFM --> page 7-38 in the mapping documentation.
|
|Cheers,
|
|Stan
|
|--- kiran kumar  wrote:
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|> Hi ,
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> Our EDI needs are really quite simple.
> All we do is receive a few 850's and send a few 810's and 856's.

All 850s are NOT equal.  We have many clients in the Retail Distribution
industry.

A WalMart ship direct to Store PO is a lot different from a bulk shipment to a
DC.  JCPenney routinely sends hundreds of POs, since they generate a single PO
for each store.  Many Chain stores do NOT supply the ShipTo location, so the
EDI system has to have a routing guide to be able to split the incoming SDQ
(multi-store) PO into multiple ASNs.

I would even add that the EDI with the same TP can be simple or very
complicated, depending on the line of business.  Ex.  Direct to Store  vs  Bulk
to DC  vs Online Retailing vs Big Ticket - all are different ;-)

If a client comes to me and says that they get a single replenishment PO per
week, with a small number of cartons on the Shipment, then a web-based solution
may be best.  We have clients who do regular EDI with most TPs, but still get
their WalMart POs online from RetailLink.  That's because they get 1 or 2 big
orders per month with no ASNs required, and setting up an AS2 connection may
take a bit of time.

> I only have 2 trading partners.  I don't expect this to increase.  The
> various EDI companies make all kinds of claims and I have no idea how
> to rate the companies.

Your question is vague.  Do you want to rate VANs, Service Bureaus, Translator
software?

> If you were in the selection process, how would you rate a company's
> ability?  What criteria would you use?

Price, Support, Flexibility, Reliability - not necessarily in that order ;-)

I have one client who installed a new ERP system but is keeping our EDI system
primarily because it can build their pallet shipments.

> If this is not the appropriate place for this question,please suggest
> a place where I could post this.

It's a good place.  You just have to be a bit clearer about what you are
looking for...

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

 Before the board lurkers pounce on me I would like to preface this email with a
statement:
I am not prejudiced against Indians in any way, the following is about an
industry condition that happens to involve India.


If you notice many of these open ended questions are from people with Indian
names.

There is a glut of Indian outsource resources right now. They developed viable
businesses around ERP / EAI outsource implementation work and are moving there
focus to other applications as the ERP market has matured and shrunk.

We regularly gets requests from Indian organsations asking for a "trial license"
of our SAP EDI adapters. They have an SAP practice and an EDI  prospect /
customer they want to support. After investigation most of these firms aren't
official SAP partners and the deal they are working isn't local in India. We
refer them to our local office wherever in the world the deal is.

I have no proof but I suspect many of the generic help questions come from
organisations that have offices selling cheap EDI resources; the sales guys win
a deal, it gets shipped offshore to India and the "Consultants" start going
through the manual to figure out what to do...


James

======= 2006-5-18 10:49, your message: Re: [EDI-L] HOW GENTRAN SERVER IS LINKED
TO GENTRAN WORKSTAION=======

Satish,

RTFM --> page 7-38 in the mapping documentation.

Cheers,

Stan

--- kiran kumar  wrote:

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>
>
> Once we are done with the mapping and it is uploaded
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> Thanks for responding in response.
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Our EDI needs are really quite simple.
All we do is receive a few 850's and send a few 810's and 856's.

I only have 2 trading partners.  I don't expect this to increase.  The
various EDI companies make all kinds of claims and I have no idea how
to rate the companies.

If you were in the selection process, how would you rate a company's
ability?  What criteria would you use?

If this is not the appropriate place for this question,please suggest
a place where I could post this.

Thank you for your help.

Brian:

Watch out, you attach him or his ability on this list and you will get flamed
like no tomorrow.

Been there, got the shirt and the arrows are still burning.

John
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   Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:32 PM
   Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <tech> HOW GENTRAN SERVER IS LINKED TO GENTRAN WORKSTAION


   dude, didn't you get trained?

   How are you testing the maps without compiling them?

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Your error rate;  do you further distinguish that between data errors and
mapping errors?  We have a metric of "EDI errors" which made my blood run
cold when I was first hired, until I calmed down and realized that these
were data-driven inaccuracies that my maps had no control over, and they
were called "EDI errors" only to distinguish them from keypunch errors.

On the other hand, errors attributable to a mapping error should be laid at
the feet of the EDI group and would be a useful metric.  (Except that in
most shops, the rate would be nearly zero.)  :)

We too keep track of uptime; translator and VAN.

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Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:37 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] Re: <MISC> EDI Metrics


We typically report monthly metrics at a very high level:

# of Partners (customer vs supplier)

# of transactions (all doc types lumped together)

Error Rate (% of transactions - indicates how much exception work had
to be done and if corrective actions were effective)

Avg FA turnaround time by partner

Avg PO Ack return time by supplier

Van uptime as a % against our published availability hours

Management isn't concern with how many maps we use or even how many
doc type combinations with each partner - that tends to be numbers
that EDI Professionals love to pour over but non-EDI management just
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We typically report monthly metrics at a very high level:

# of Partners (customer vs supplier)

# of transactions (all doc types lumped together)

Error Rate (% of transactions - indicates how much exception work had
to be done and if corrective actions were effective)

Avg FA turnaround time by partner

Avg PO Ack return time by supplier

Van uptime as a % against our published availability hours

Management isn't concern with how many maps we use or even how many
doc type combinations with each partner - that tends to be numbers
that EDI Professionals love to pour over but non-EDI management just
can't appreciate.

Satish,

RTFM --> page 7-38 in the mapping documentation.

Cheers,

Stan

--- kiran kumar < wrote:

>
> Hi ,
>
>
> Once we are done with the mapping and it is uploaded
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Hello folks, I wanted to reply to a to a question I received in my
email this morning publicly because I sure that more than a few of
you my be pondering the same question.

Question: "May I ask why you are using this forum to promote another
one? There are a lot of people on EDI-L and it has taken years to
build the membership list. I understand you need to promote traffic
to your website or to your forum, however, EDI-L is a highly
populated."

Our answer: we are not so much trying to advertise a forum as we are
trying to get the word out about a resource center. A forum platform
just happens to be the best way to accomplish our goal of true
community updated content without having to develop a program from
scratch. We built this because myself and a few other fellow
consultants needed a central place to house information central to
our jobs as EDI professionals that could be kept up to date by the
entire community. A good example would be: you go to the resource
center to find out the vendor link URL to Lowes, you click on the
link to just find out that it’s no longer any good. At that point you
do a little research to find out the correct URL, once you have the
correct URL you can just update the link by posting a reply that
hopefully will save a few other poor soles from having to go through
the same process.

Now why are we sharing it with you? In short we can only do so much
and posses only so much information at any one point in time. If you
find out something or say receive an 864 about JCPenney making a
change to a qualifier; post a short summary of it in the notices and
news section, someone will be thankful you did. As the old saying
goes, "There is true knowledge in numbers". We have no desire to take
anything away from EDI-L because we also are long standing members
here that look forward to the nightly updates.

Sincerely,
Stephen

But it all seems to work on the white board........

   _____

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Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <tech> HOW GENTRAN SERVER IS LINKED TO GENTRAN
WORKSTAION


dude, didn't you get trained?

How are you testing the maps without compiling them?

--- kiran kumar < wrote:

>
> Hi ,
>
>
> Once we are done with the mapping and it is uploaded
> to Unix Server please let me know how the gentran
> workstation is linked to gentarn server and where do
> we complie the map.
> Thanks for responding in response.
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> Regards
> Satish
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dude, didn't you get trained?

How are you testing the maps without compiling them?

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Being in the publishing industry, I would recommend you do it outside the
translator. For current titles you need to take "978" and concatenate it to the
first 9 digits of the ISBN.  Then you need to write a routine to calculate the
new check digit. and concatinate it to the first 12 digits.



monzon_car < wrote:
   Hi there All,

I have Gentran 3.2 and I was wondering if nay of you people out there -
would have some kind of code that you could share on how to convert
ISBN-10 to ISBN-13 and the reverse ISBN-13 to ISBN10.

I have been trying to get something to work in my end but so far I have
not been getting it to work.

So, here I am wondering if any of you have something to share that I
can use here.

We are still working in our back end to be able to accept the ISBN13 -
so in the mean time I need to make all ISBN-13 to a 10 etc..

I thank you all in advance...

Carlos





Allen Hoffman
www.ediguyconsulting.com
917-544-0019

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Hello to all,

I am looking for ways to get the word out to the EDI technology
community about an eight month contacting project in Charlotte, NC now
available through Analysts International. This engagement calls for a
specialist in GXS AI data mapping.

Overall background required for this project assignment follows.

MUST have advanced experience with GXS AI data mapping and trace log
analysis, enveloping and recognition models, including files and DM
databases.
MUST be able to setup custom PERFORM functions and Trading
Relationships.
MUST have solid experience working with X.12 and EDIFACT standards.
Also requires COBOL, PL1, DB2, IMS, MVS/JCL, and TSO programming skills.

As always, we ask interested parties to forward a copy of their current
resume in Word format along with their bottom line all inclusive hourly
W2 rate.

I especially want to thank you for taking the time to review this memo.

Let me add, that any help you can provide in getting the word out to
this select technology community is truly appreciated.

Best regards,
Dick Smith
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Analysts International
2200 Gateway Center Boulevard
Suite #209
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Hi ,


Once we are done with the mapping and it is uploaded
to Unix Server please let me know how the gentran
workstation is linked to gentarn server and where do
we complie the map.
Thanks for responding in response.


Regards
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Ok folks the standards browser was a big success with everyone and
the number one request was to add looping structure to the segment
viewing screen. It is done, and your comments would be greatly
appreciated.

Just a side note, we've put in a ton of work into gathering
information and putting this resource center and forum together; I
hope you enjoy it. Our goal is to try making life as an EDI
professional just a little bit easier, trust me I know I'm off to
California for the next 6 months. To do this we are offering an on-
line community and resource center where professionals in the
industry can take part in forums, get caught up on industry news and
find industry resources (like using our free EDI Standards Browser).
Volunteers and suggestions are very much welcomed. Have fun and
please tell us what you think.

http://www.ediassociates.com/forum

Sincerely,

Stephen Case
EDI Associates

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Has anyone had any success with this? I've been unsusccessful trying
to get the connection established. I'm running GIS 4.1.

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Liberto Management Co., Inc.
(210) 226 4167 x285
(210) 226 3075 Fax


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Hi!  We have multiple openings in Cincinnati, OH that include contract
and direct client hires.  These openings are with 3 different clients
and all require as/400 experience.  GIS experience is a plus and if
you have GIS too, we have a job for you!

Please contact me at 513-263-6437 or 

Hi there All,

I have Gentran 3.2 and I was wondering if nay of you people out there -
would have some kind of code that you could share on how to convert
ISBN-10 to ISBN-13 and the reverse ISBN-13 to ISBN10.

I have been trying to get something to work in my end but so far I have
not been getting it to work.

So, here I am wondering if any of you have something to share that I
can use here.

We are still working in our back end to be able to accept the ISBN13 -
so in the mean time I need to make all ISBN-13 to a 10 etc..

I thank you all in advance...

Carlos

Good afternoon!  I wanted to let everyone know that TEKsystems has an
EDI Programmer/Analyst opportunity available immediately in southern
Indiana.  I'm looking for someone experienced with GXS (GEIS) EDI that
can set up trading partners, VANs, perform mapping, etc.  It's a W2
contract position lasting 6-8 months or more.  The client is a
manufacturing company and it's a very casual environment.  I can be
reached at (800) 609-5534 x4718 if you're interested.  Thanks!

Hello group;

I am a network engineer at a VAN in Northeast Ohio.  We have noticed
delays with our interconnect with GXS. Our communication sessions
were experiencing very long delays between the time a mailbag was
delivered to GXS and put into pending status and the close of the
comm session.

What was happening apparently is the slow-down in the AS/2 and ICS
operations at GXS were affecting our VAN-to-VAN interconnect.  With
GXS, the communication session has to be left open until a mailbag
moves from pending to confirmed.  Apparently, if the comm session is
forced to close before confirmation is delivered, the mailbag may be
discarded by the GXS side.

On May 15, noticed delays of as much as 38 minutes being stuck in
comm sessions that had pending status.  Depending on business logic
driving the VAN-to-VAN interconnects, some VANs probably had a lot
of trouble figuring out if their mailbags had been accepted by GXS
due to the processing delays and lack of mailbag IAs coming back.
Things seem to be better today, May 17.  So far all the mailbags
have been going on the first try, but IAs are a bit slow coming back.

We have asked the GXS support people if there is a parm we can set
to be able deliver mailbags asynchronously, thus getting around the
problem.  The way GXS implemented communications is great for a
customer that sends some EDI once or twice a week manually by FTP -
they have sure indication their work has been processed.  As a VAN,
we are more interested in working at the level of the mailbagging
protocol and don't need synchronous indication while we are in a
comm session.  What we want to see is the IA being returned to us
from the other VAN.

Integration of processes is good, but when you can try to roll too
much functionality together, you may compound the complexity of
problems.

--Bill Mayhew  EC/EDI, Ltd.


--- In  "Nancy Plume" <nplume@...> wrote:
>
>
> Is GXS still having problems at the VAN?  Our orders are not being
> received.  I sure wish they would contact their customers when
they are
> down!!!
>
> Thanks,
> Nancy
>

Hello to all,

I am looking for ways to get the word out to the EDI technology
community about an eight month contacting project in Charlotte, NC now
available through Analysts International. This engagement calls for a
specialist in GXS AI data mapping.

Overall background required for this project assignment follows.

MUST have advanced experience with GXS AI data mapping and trace log
analysis, enveloping and recognition models, including files and DM
databases. MUST be able to setup custom PERFORM functions and Trading
Relationships. MUST possess expert knowledge of X.12 and EDIFACT
standards.

As always, we ask interested parties to forward a copy of their current
resume in Word format along with their bottom line all inclusive hourly
W2 rate.

I especially want to thank you for taking the time to review this memo.
Let me add, that any help you can provide in getting the word out to
this select technology community is truly appreciated.

Best regards,
Dick Smith
Talent Acquisition Specialist
Analysts International
2200 Gateway Center Boulevard
Suite #209
Morrisville, NC 27560
800-669-2772 Office
919-460-6141 Office
Extension #8314385
919-247-5505 Cell





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No, but you're also pointing out the need for
different metrics for different "parts of the
business."  If you applied your 820 thinking to 850s,
would "how many PO lines shipped" make sense?  Or
would "we shipped 5000 small parcel packages (with no
allegiance to either UOS or FEDEX)" make as much sense
as "we shipped 200 orders today"?

And you've just illustrated why, IMHO, applying
metrics is so difficult to EDI.  Until you can come up
with a precise definition of what EDI is and what the
box looks like, how can you measure it?  A former stop
on the highway had me assisting with a disaster
recovery plan.  Or what they called "tell us what is
on the EDI box."  When we told them that including the
EDI function in the plan included most of the major
applications and four different servers, they dropped
back and punted.  "We'll have our customers fax the
orders" became the new disaster plan.  Considering
that the customer's all practice lights out commerce,
I don't know how they'll do that, nor how the orders
will get into the applications system.  Actually, the
first cut involved keeping the translator box in the
plan, but cutting out the communications box, the
router, and the SOA server.

--- "Dickey, Colleen" <
wrote:

> Okay, but one more question.  How would you count a
> transaction?
> I have the 820 Payment Remittance coming inbound
> from a bank.  Would you
> count each ST/820 as one transaction, or the number
> of RMR segments
> (which contains the payment amount for individual
> customer)
>
> For example, I might get one file with one ST/820
> transaction  but it
> contains 25,000 customer payments. (that's 25,000
> paper checks we don't
> have to process).
>
> Am I complicating this too much? :)
>
> Colleen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter [mailto:
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 10:01 AM
> To: Dickey, Colleen;  William
> Troy Parrett;
> 
> Subject: RE: [EDI-L] <MISC> EDI Metrics
>
> Good poitns.  In my opinion the three most important
> variables are the
> number of...
>
>   Transactions
>   Partners
>   Communication connections (unique connections)
>
> The first is pretty obvious, but certainly having
> 100,000
> transactions/month with three partners is far easier
> than the same
> volume over 100 partners.
> Likewise maintaining three VAN connections is far
> less work than
> maintaining 100 AS2 connections.
>
> While valuable, I think things like processing
> schedules, number of/type
> of maps, etc. vary too much from company to company,
> and would make
> comparisons very difficult.
>
> So if the equation is T + P + C = EDI, how would you
> all weight these
> three variables in relation to each other?  Are the
> number of partners
> more influential than the volume?  What about
> communications and all
> those AS2 certs expiring, firewalls closing, MDN's
> missing?
>
>
> ***Granted this is a gross over-simplification, one
> of the biggest
> variables is 'clue-factor' of your companies
> management.  We can save
> that equation for another day...
>
>
> -Peter
> --- "Dickey, Colleen"
> <
> wrote:
>
> > I agree. I think the numbers of importance are:
> >
> > How many active trading partners are you
> supporting?
> > (whether a trading
> > partner has 1 transaction or 1000 per month, it
> still takes the same
> > amount of time researching any that have gone
> awry).
> >
> > Do you have multiple relationships with those same
> trading partners
> > across your organization?  In some cases, this
> might as well be
> > counted as a separate partner.
> >
> > How many maps are you running? And of those, do
> you support multiple
> > versions?
> >
> > What is your processing schedule like?  Do you run
> one large batch job
>
> > in the middle of the night, or are there many
> jobs/processes that run
> > continuously?
> >
> > Does your EDI "team" also support the transmission
> of the data to the
> > VAN (or other vehicle) or is that handled by a
> different group?
> >
> >
> > Those are the areas where I can measure my time.
> > Transactions can
> > measure how much you might be savings on
> electronic
> > vs. paper.
> >
> > ***
> >
> > I support 90 trading partners, with multiple
> > organizational
> > relationships.
> > 21 transaction maps, which includes the multiple
> > versions of each.
> > 50 batch jobs running throughout the day. (I'm on
> > Gentran/MVS.)
> > I also support all activity related to the VAN.
> >
> > I am the only EDI support person for a company in
> > the utility industry.
> >
> > Colleen Dickey
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: 
> > [mailto: On Behalf Of
> > Brian Lehrhoff
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:33 AM
> > To: William Troy Parrett; 
> > Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <MISC> EDI Metrics
> >
> > I'm starting to do my own little learning
> experience
> > on metrics ...
> >
> > What are good metrics for defining an EDI program?
> >
> > Why do you feel that # of transactions - which
> seems
> > to me to be more of
> > a function of hardware and software rather than
> > operations - is a valid
> > metric?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- William Troy Parrett
> > < wrote:
> >
> > > Hello-
> > >
> > > We're gathering some metrics on our data
> > translation and would like to
> >
> > > know where we rate among other companies.
> > >
> > > Simply, how many transactions are processed per
> > month per
> > > employee/contractor providing support?  A brief
> > description of what
> > > business models you support would also be nice.
> > >
> > > We're a pharmaceutical manufacturer and do
> 29,333
> > on average per month
> >
> > > per support person.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Troy Parrett
> > > Eli Lilly and Company
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 Well, when it comes to Cleveland...I moved to Columbus, now I live in
Raleigh, NC.  I like this!!

Weather is better, more trees, sloooooooowweerrr lifestyle.

Enjoy!



-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Seay [mailto:
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:01 PM
To:  'EDI-L Mailing List'
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] <OFF TOPIC> Is anyone else having issues with GXS?

--- "Christopher E. Cancilla" <
wrote:

> HEY!   What wrong with Cleveland?

Chris,

Just joking!

I am sorry.  I know people from Cleveland are very proud of their city, but
it has the reputation of being sort of an industrial ZONE.  In fact, Ohio
has the reputation of just being consecutive clusters of urban sprawl.

That is probably unfair.  I have seen some lovely countryside in Ohio, but I
personally dont care much for the cities there.  Sorry to offend.

I once was working on contract in a place where the unix system brought up a
message of the day.  One day there was a quote by a former mayor of Boston.
It went, "Boston, it aint Camelot, but it aint Cleveland either".

Again, sorry to have used your city as a negative metaphor.

Thomas (hailing from San Francisco, CA)


<<He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all the general rage and
hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and, then, as if his chest had
been a mortar, he burst his hot heart's shell upon it.>>

Herman Melville, "Moby Dick"

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--- "Christopher E. Cancilla" <
wrote:

> HEY!   What wrong with Cleveland?

Chris,

Just joking!

I am sorry.  I know people from Cleveland are very
proud of their city, but it has the reputation of
being sort of an industrial ZONE.  In fact, Ohio has
the reputation of just being consecutive clusters of
urban sprawl.

That is probably unfair.  I have seen some lovely
countryside in Ohio, but I personally dont care much
for the cities there.  Sorry to offend.

I once was working on contract in a place where the
unix system brought up a message of the day.  One day
there was a quote by a former mayor of Boston.  It
went, "Boston, it aint Camelot, but it aint Cleveland
either".

Again, sorry to have used your city as a negative
metaphor.

Thomas (hailing from San Francisco, CA)


<<He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all
the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from
Adam down; and, then, as if his chest had been a mortar,
he burst his hot heart's shell upon it.>>

Herman Melville, "Moby Dick"

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> I'm starting to do my own little learning experience
> on metrics ...
>
> What are good metrics for defining an EDI program?

If you mean some measure of "how much effort is going to be required to set up
the software to translate/map/test" etc the unit of
measure I use the "Partner-Document"  which means one partner, one document
specification, one direction.

Eg.. If two partners want to send you 850 PO, each using their own
implementation spec, that's TWO partner-documents.

However, if you are starting a program with your vendors where you will be
sending them POs, all created to the same implementation
guide, that only counts as ONE partner-document, even though you might have
hundreds of vendors.  (Allow "a little" additional time
for "actual testing with real partners" in this case).

(Although with hundreds of vendors, I'm not so sure I would't come up with at
least some form of 'test kit' I could send to those
vendors containing paper + ANSI ASC X12 data corresponding to same). (With real
part numbers and embedded 'text' instructions and
multiple ship-vias, etc etc etc.. the opposite of what you would get were you
the receiver).

Works for me, anyway.

Michael C. Mattias
Tal Systems Inc.
Racine WI

ph 262-681-3895
Outside WI Toll Free 1-877-264-2847

HEY!   What wrong with Cleveland?

The slogan for the city used to be that "Cleveland is a great place to be".

I was born and raised on the east side, (and left as soon as I was able),
but returned ... and left again.

Remember to have some fun in your day!!   :-)

Chris Cancilla

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From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Thomas Seay
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:08 PM
To:  Nancy Plume
Cc:   
 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Is anyone else having issues with GXS?


You know, in italian there is an expression:  "Tanto
fumo, niente fuoco".  "A lot of smoke, no fire".  That
pretty much sums up GXS.  They promise you the world
and give you Cleveland.

I hope that the people on this list who have to put up
with GXS at least have some clause in their service
agreement that they will get some kind of reduced rate
when this happens.

--- Donna Hutt Stapfer Bell <
wrote:

> I just got notified - ICS is having a "slowdown."
>
> Technical Service Bulletin (GXS-AM 060517-02)
> GXS Operations Center
> 12:30 PM ET Wednesday May 17 2006
>
>
> ICS Service Slowdown Update
>
> -Description-
> As reported at 10:15 AM ET, GXS Operations Center
> detected a slowdown in the ICS service. As a result,
> impacted customers are experiencing slow document
> traffic.
>
> GXS is continuing to monitor the situation.
>
> -Impacted Services-
> Interchange Services (ICS)
> Interconnect Traffic
> AS/2 Service
> OLV Service
> NBT
> ICS Gateway
>
>
> -Additional Information-
> We apologize for any problems this causes you.  We
> are working to resolve this issue, and service will
> be restored to full operation as soon as possible.
>
> If you are a Managed Services Customer, please note
> that this issue does not affect your ability to
> connect to the GXS Managed Services Platform.  It
> does impact your trading partner community that
> utilizes the ICS service.
>
> The next Technical Service Bulletin will be issued
> at 1:30 PM ET or as soon as conditions change.
>
> For additional information regarding this bulletin,
> email:  or contact GXS at US:
> 1-800-334-2255 or visit www.gxs.com/support for
> worldwide contact information.
>
>
>
> Nancy Plume wrote:
>
> >
> >Is GXS still having problems at the VAN?  Our
> orders are not being
> >received.  I sure wish they would contact their
> customers when they are
> >down!!!
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Nancy
> >
> >
> >
> >...
> >Please use the following Message Identifiers as
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> >
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I hope that the people on this list who have to put up
with GXS at least have some clause in their service
agreement that they will get some kind of reduced rate
when this happens.

--- Donna Hutt Stapfer Bell <
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> I just got notified - ICS is having a "slowdown."
>
> Technical Service Bulletin (GXS-AM 060517-02)
> GXS Operations Center
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>
> ICS Service Slowdown Update
>
> -Description-
> As reported at 10:15 AM ET, GXS Operations Center
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> impacted customers are experiencing slow document
> traffic.
>
> GXS is continuing to monitor the situation.
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> OLV Service
> NBT
> ICS Gateway
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Good poitns.  In my opinion the three most important
variables are the number of...

   Transactions
   Partners
   Communication connections (unique connections)

The first is pretty obvious, but certainly having
100,000 transactions/month with three partners is far
easier than the same volume over 100 partners.
Likewise maintaining three VAN connections is far less
work than maintaining 100 AS2 connections.

While valuable, I think things like processing
schedules, number of/type of maps, etc. vary too much
from company to company, and would make comparisons
very difficult.

So if the equation is T + P + C = EDI, how would you
all weight these three variables in relation to each
other?  Are the number of partners more influential
than the volume?  What about communications and all
those AS2 certs expiring, firewalls closing, MDN's
missing?


***Granted this is a gross over-simplification, one of
the biggest variables is 'clue-factor' of your
companies management.  We can save that equation for
another day...


-Peter
--- "Dickey, Colleen" <
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> I agree. I think the numbers of importance are:
>
> How many active trading partners are you supporting?
> (whether a trading
> partner has 1 transaction or 1000 per month, it
> still takes the same
> amount of time researching any that have gone awry).
>
> Do you have multiple relationships with those same
> trading partners
> across your organization?  In some cases, this might
> as well be counted
> as a separate partner.
>
> How many maps are you running? And of those, do you
> support multiple
> versions?
>
> What is your processing schedule like?  Do you run
> one large batch job
> in the middle of the night, or are there many
> jobs/processes that run
> continuously?
>
> Does your EDI "team" also support the transmission
> of the data to the
> VAN (or other vehicle) or is that handled by a
> different group?
>
>
> Those are the areas where I can measure my time.
> Transactions can
> measure how much you might be savings on electronic
> vs. paper.
>
> ***
>
> I support 90 trading partners, with multiple
> organizational
> relationships.
> 21 transaction maps, which includes the multiple
> versions of each.
> 50 batch jobs running throughout the day. (I'm on
> Gentran/MVS.)
> I also support all activity related to the VAN.
>
> I am the only EDI support person for a company in
> the utility industry.
>
> Colleen Dickey
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:33 AM
> To: William Troy Parrett; 
> Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <MISC> EDI Metrics
>
> I'm starting to do my own little learning experience
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>
> What are good metrics for defining an EDI program?
>
> Why do you feel that # of transactions - which seems
> to me to be more of
> a function of hardware and software rather than
> operations - is a valid
> metric?
>
>
>
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> --- William Troy Parrett
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> > Hello-
> >
> > We're gathering some metrics on our data
> translation and would like to
>
> > know where we rate among other companies.
> >
> > Simply, how many transactions are processed per
> month per
> > employee/contractor providing support?  A brief
> description of what
> > business models you support would also be nice.
> >
> > We're a pharmaceutical manufacturer and do 29,333
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I just got notified - ICS is having a "slowdown."

Technical Service Bulletin (GXS-AM 060517-02)
GXS Operations Center
12:30 PM ET Wednesday May 17 2006


ICS Service Slowdown Update

-Description-
As reported at 10:15 AM ET, GXS Operations Center detected a slowdown in the ICS
service. As a result, impacted customers are experiencing slow document traffic.

GXS is continuing to monitor the situation.

-Impacted Services-
Interchange Services (ICS)
Interconnect Traffic
AS/2 Service
OLV Service
NBT
ICS Gateway


-Additional Information-
We apologize for any problems this causes you.  We are working to resolve this
issue, and service will be restored to full operation as soon as possible.

If you are a Managed Services Customer, please note that this issue does not
affect your ability to connect to the GXS Managed Services Platform.  It does
impact your trading partner community that utilizes the ICS service.

The next Technical Service Bulletin will be issued at 1:30 PM ET or as soon as
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For additional information regarding this bulletin, email:  or
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Nancy Plume wrote:

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Is GXS still having problems at the VAN?  Our orders are not being
received.  I sure wish they would contact their customers when they are
down!!!

Thanks,
Nancy

To your point of maps, another metric;  How many of your active maps
(percentage) are partner-specific, and how many are generic (multi-use?)
Helps to determine complexity of your organization (or inability to push
back to your trading partners...  LOL)

-----Original Message-----
***

>I support 90 trading partners, with multiple organizational relationships.
We have 700 or so trading partners, multiple relationships.

>21 transaction maps, which includes the multiple versions of each.
Geez, i have no clue how many *active* maps I have.  I have over 1000 maps
in my directory, but not all of them are active.   That census is a job for
another day, and that day is coming soon.

>50 batch jobs running throughout the day. (I'm on Gentran/MVS.)
185 production batch jobs and 52 test batch jobs throughout the day.  I'm
also on Gentran MVS.

>I also support all activity related to the VAN.
We too support all VAN activity.

>I am the only EDI support person for a company in the utility industry.
Wow.  We have 4 full time analysts, 2 part time and one consultant.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think those are also great numbers to consider.  I was trying to keep it
simple and quick and thought that transactions per support person per
month would be the best aggregation of the numbers below.  I was looking
strictly from a support standpoint.

Troy Parrett




"Dickey, Colleen" <
05/17/2006 11:59 AM

To
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< 
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Subject
RE: [EDI-L] <MISC> EDI Metrics






I agree. I think the numbers of importance are:

How many active trading partners are you supporting? (whether a trading
partner has 1 transaction or 1000 per month, it still takes the same
amount of time researching any that have gone awry).

Do you have multiple relationships with those same trading partners
across your organization?  In some cases, this might as well be counted
as a separate partner.

How many maps are you running? And of those, do you support multiple
versions?

What is your processing schedule like?  Do you run one large batch job
in the middle of the night, or are there many jobs/processes that run
continuously?

Does your EDI "team" also support the transmission of the data to the
VAN (or other vehicle) or is that handled by a different group?


Those are the areas where I can measure my time. Transactions can
measure how much you might be savings on electronic vs. paper.

***

I support 90 trading partners, with multiple organizational
relationships.
21 transaction maps, which includes the multiple versions of each.
50 batch jobs running throughout the day. (I'm on Gentran/MVS.)
I also support all activity related to the VAN.

I am the only EDI support person for a company in the utility industry.

Colleen Dickey

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Brian Lehrhoff
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:33 AM
To: William Troy Parrett; 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <MISC> EDI Metrics

I'm starting to do my own little learning experience on metrics ...

What are good metrics for defining an EDI program?

Why do you feel that # of transactions - which seems to me to be more of
a function of hardware and software rather than operations - is a valid
metric?




--- William Troy Parrett
< wrote:

> Hello-
>
> We're gathering some metrics on our data translation and would like to

> know where we rate among other companies.
>
> Simply, how many transactions are processed per month per
> employee/contractor providing support?  A brief description of what
> business models you support would also be nice.
>
> We're a pharmaceutical manufacturer and do 29,333 on average per month

> per support person.
>
> Thanks!
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> Eli Lilly and Company
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I agree. I think the numbers of importance are:

How many active trading partners are you supporting? (whether a trading
partner has 1 transaction or 1000 per month, it still takes the same
amount of time researching any that have gone awry).

Do you have multiple relationships with those same trading partners
across your organization?  In some cases, this might as well be counted
as a separate partner.

How many maps are you running? And of those, do you support multiple
versions?

What is your processing schedule like?  Do you run one large batch job
in the middle of the night, or are there many jobs/processes that run
continuously?

Does your EDI "team" also support the transmission of the data to the
VAN (or other vehicle) or is that handled by a different group?


Those are the areas where I can measure my time. Transactions can
measure how much you might be savings on electronic vs. paper.

***

I support 90 trading partners, with multiple organizational
relationships.
21 transaction maps, which includes the multiple versions of each.
50 batch jobs running throughout the day. (I'm on Gentran/MVS.)
I also support all activity related to the VAN.

I am the only EDI support person for a company in the utility industry.

Colleen Dickey

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:33 AM
To: William Troy Parrett; 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] <MISC> EDI Metrics

I'm starting to do my own little learning experience on metrics ...

What are good metrics for defining an EDI program?

Why do you feel that # of transactions - which seems to me to be more of
a function of hardware and software rather than operations - is a valid
metric?




--- William Troy Parrett
< wrote:

> Hello-
>
> We're gathering some metrics on our data translation and would like to

> know where we rate among other companies.
>
> Simply, how many transactions are processed per month per
> employee/contractor providing support?  A brief description of what
> business models you support would also be nice.
>
> We're a pharmaceutical manufacturer and do 29,333 on average per month

> per support person.
>
> Thanks!
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> Troy Parrett
> Eli Lilly and Company
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I'm starting to do my own little learning experience
on metrics ...

What are good metrics for defining an EDI program?

Why do you feel that # of transactions - which seems
to me to be more of a function of hardware and
software rather than operations - is a valid metric?




--- William Troy Parrett
< wrote:

> Hello-
>
> We're gathering some metrics on our data translation
> and would like to
> know where we rate among other companies.
>
> Simply, how many transactions are processed per
> month per
> employee/contractor providing support?  A brief
> description of what
> business models you support would also be nice.
>
> We're a pharmaceutical manufacturer and do 29,333 on
> average per month per
> support person.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Troy Parrett
> Eli Lilly and Company
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> Does anyone know of a good source to see what the changes are in X12 v. 5010
and
> 5030 (compared to v. 4010)?  I am also wondering if anyone has seen these
> versions implemented yet.  The only trading partner I've heard talking about
it
> is Wal-Mart.

I would say that the only 'good' place is in the updated specs for each TP.

You would have to be connected to the X12 committee, or get their pubs to see
what the overall changes are.

WalMart has a list of changes between 4030 & 5010 on page 119 of their 850 spec
(as do most TPs who publish updates):

850 Purchase Order - Changes from Previous (4030) Version
NOTE: This change summary is included as a checklist only, to help ensure that
all changes have been accounted for. It is not to be used as a complete
implementation reference, as it does not include all of the necessary
information.
SAC H1200 1300 Codes Added C510 Ice Charge D260 Fuel Charge F340 Pickup
Allowance H000 Specialty (tectrol Gas) H560 Swell

SAC H1200 1300 Codes Deleted H910 Temperature Protection (this is no longer
used)

PO1 D0100 235 Added UK – GTIN 14-digit Data Structure

SAC D1300 1300 Codes Added C510 Ice Charge
D260 Fuel Charge F340 Pickup Allowance H000 Specialty (tectrol Gas) H560 Swell

SAC D1300 1300 Codes Deleted H910 Temperature Protection (this is no longer
used)

SLN D4700 235 Added UK – GTIN 14-digit Data Structure

AMT S0200 522 Deleted TT – Total Transaction Amount

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around 10pm last night. When I talked with their support desk, I was told that
they had a backlog in both the AS2 and ICS networks. We were getting the same
files sent to us over and over. They told me that due to the backlog, they were
not informing the other VANS that they had received the mailbags from them,
therefore the other VANS were resending their data until they received
acknowldgement of receipt. In particular for us we received the same files up to
5 times from Sterling via interconnect.

   Our major complaint with GXS on this was that we were never notified of this
issue. When we talked with their support, we were told that they would send an
email to everyone once the problem was fixed. We told them that is unacceptable
and they should inform their clients when the problem arises, not after the
fact.

   Anyway-- we were told that the AS2 piece was resolved and they were still
working on the ICS side. No Estimated Fix time was given.

   Basically we are not very happy at the moment with them. Our EDI Software does
not have the ability to check for duplicate ISA #'s. One of many reasons we are
in the process of changing systems

   Andy Anderson
   PUMA North America

David Sakowsky < wrote:
   I'd like to bring notice to the fact an SLA (Service Level Agreement) brings
no guarantee that a service provider (like GXS or Covisint) will ever deliver
their services with no interruptions.  What an SLA usually brings is a financial
penalty to the service provider when they do not perform.  An SLA is supposed to
be an incentive to the service provider to perform at a certain level, but there
are "no guarantees" the service provider will perform either way.

"Bachman, Ryan" < wrote:
   I think the GXS issue must be related strictly to AS2. I checked with
our helpdesk, and they have not seen any recent issues with GXS. We have
sent GXS several thousand documents in the past 24 hours (not counting
the messages we have received), so we would notice any issues
immediately.

If you're looking for better reliability, Covisint is the only VAN I'm
aware of to offer a guaranteed SLA on uptime. A VAN cannot afford to be
down when you have customers as large as General Motors. Feel free to
send an email to  for more
information.

Ryan Bachman

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Thomas Seay
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:11 PM
To: ddaviesnew; 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Is anyone else having AS2 issues with GXS?


Sorry to hear about your problem, but it doesnt
surprize me.  After all, it's GXS we are talking about
here.  I wont work at a company that has GXS as a VAN.
I avoid a lot of headaches and frustrations that way.


BTW, how do you like their customer "service"?
-Thomas

--- ddaviesnew < wrote:

>
>
> They have been down since 10:30 and they can't
> provide an update as to
> when the VAN service will be back on line.
>
> It's time to look elsewhere.
>
> Frustrated.
>
>
>
>
>


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EDI is probably one of the few IT related areas that can show a clear
ROI which is so difficult to prove in other cases.  I distinctly
remember a director looking me straight in the eye and telling me that
we were only an expense to the company.  Imagine his surprise when we
showed the savings...

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Hi-Tech Pharmacal Co., Inc
369 Bayview Avenue
Amityville, NY  11701
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-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Michael Mattias
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 1:52 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.

>I have been in the situation where EDI got it own budget and was
expected to
>make a profit.  Lost money, so to speak, the first three months then
decided
>to bill all of the departments for "services", and it went through.

>When they are learned about all the profit EDI was making they wanted
EDI
>under their umbrella.

6/16/06

About once a year I get a chance to re-post this "Golden Oldie"  ...this
looks like as good a place as any...

So with all original typos still intact and unedited...we bring you this
true story.

MCM

===BEGIN ANCIENT HISTORY====

6/21/01

As anyone who has been around ANSI EDI setups knows, there is a
significant time
and money investment required to put together a really good system with
full
integration into an applications system.

The last couple of days I was working at one of my clients, a major
manufacturer
in Wisconsin. This customer is reasonably new to ANSI EDI, only doing
recently
doing any of their own work on it. (For about a year, they had been
accepting
ANSI orders from only one customer, using a Mercator application built
by an
outside firm).

Over the last couple of months they had invested a lot of time and money
to get
ANSI X.12 running with a number of other customers who had requested it
over the
past couple of years, but still no one had seen any tangible benefits;
it seemed
EDI support was a "cost of sales" rather than an "aid to order
processing."

The sales department of this firm was successful in landing a new
account; but,
they had to commit to being able to accept ANSI X.12 orders and provide
ANSI
X.12 invoices.  The IT department dutifully (though not without some
grousing,
but you expect that) set up the translation and mapping and integration,
went
through the testing, and on Monday the new customer sent in his first
batch of
orders: 324 PO's with 66,215 line items.

The orders were picked up from the VAN at 3:00 AM. By 4:00 AM, all
orders were
entered into the user's sales order system.

The next morning, the IT people did a little math: they figured it would
have
taken three (3) man-weeks to hand-key all those orders. The IT people
were
amazed; and they usually don't get all that excited about productivity
improvements in "the other building" (the sales/service departments).

The next day, the customer sent in another 36 PO's with 8000+ line
items. More
savings.

As someone who has been a long time "true believer" in the productivity
improvements available using EDI, I just love it when a "real user" can
finally
and clearly see his investment pay off, so I thought I'd share.

== END ANCIENT HISTORY===





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>make a profit.  Lost money, so to speak, the first three months then decided
>to bill all of the departments for "services", and it went through.

>When they are learned about all the profit EDI was making they wanted EDI
>under their umbrella.

6/16/06

About once a year I get a chance to re-post this "Golden Oldie"  ...this looks
like as good a place as any...

So with all original typos still intact and unedited...we bring you this true
story.

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===BEGIN ANCIENT HISTORY====

6/21/01

As anyone who has been around ANSI EDI setups knows, there is a significant time
and money investment required to put together a really good system with full
integration into an applications system.

The last couple of days I was working at one of my clients, a major manufacturer
in Wisconsin. This customer is reasonably new to ANSI EDI, only doing recently
doing any of their own work on it. (For about a year, they had been accepting
ANSI orders from only one customer, using a Mercator application built by an
outside firm).

Over the last couple of months they had invested a lot of time and money to get
ANSI X.12 running with a number of other customers who had requested it over the
past couple of years, but still no one had seen any tangible benefits; it seemed
EDI support was a "cost of sales" rather than an "aid to order processing."

The sales department of this firm was successful in landing a new account; but,
they had to commit to being able to accept ANSI X.12 orders and provide ANSI
X.12 invoices.  The IT department dutifully (though not without some grousing,
but you expect that) set up the translation and mapping and integration, went
through the testing, and on Monday the new customer sent in his first batch of
orders: 324 PO's with 66,215 line items.

The orders were picked up from the VAN at 3:00 AM. By 4:00 AM, all orders were
entered into the user's sales order system.

The next morning, the IT people did a little math: they figured it would have
taken three (3) man-weeks to hand-key all those orders. The IT people were
amazed; and they usually don't get all that excited about productivity
improvements in "the other building" (the sales/service departments).

The next day, the customer sent in another 36 PO's with 8000+ line items. More
savings.

As someone who has been a long time "true believer" in the productivity
improvements available using EDI, I just love it when a "real user" can finally
and clearly see his investment pay off, so I thought I'd share.

== END ANCIENT HISTORY===

 believe that it is all agreed that EDI is not a language, nor is it a
programming anything.

EDI is a concept based in the heart of the business.  If the business does
not see the value then the EDI department will both flounder and loose money
(corporately).

EDI needs to be backed by the managers and directors and 3-letters in the
company.

I have been in the situation where EDI got it own budget and was expected to
make a profit.  Lost money, so to speak, the first three months then decided
to bill all of the departments for "services", and it went through.

When they are learned about all the profit EDI was making they wanted EDI
under their umbrella.

It was a nightmare that I was glad to leave.

   _____

From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Kotoyan, Michael
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 12:01 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


I am not smokin' anything and I used to be a developer for many years.

My point was that jumping from C++ to JAVA or from JavaScript to VB Script
or to Perl is not the same thing as picking up EDI.

I have run into many cases while interviewing when a developer thinks they
can just pick up EDI as if it was another scripting language or something.

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Travis Truax
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:40 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.

>>"EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick
>>simply pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you
>>have to appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good
>>experience to make a career out of it.  You can not do that in two days."

What are you smokin' ? "Easy" programming language! You MUST not be a
programmer.... :P

Travis-




-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher E. Cancilla [mailto:
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:23 AM
To: 'Jon Garniss'
Cc:
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


Not a joke, unfortunately.....

Just a guy who thinks that if he can BS his way through an interview he will
get the job, then eventually...maybe...someday...have a clue as to what EDI
is, and how it and the software really work.

Sad day in the EDI world if that happens.......

Chris

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From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of Jon
Garniss
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:46 PM
To: Kotoyan, Michael; 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


Is this whole thread a joke? I personally find this disturbing.

-----Original Message-----
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Kotoyan, Michael
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:37 PM
To: 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.

We all had to start from somewhere, if you want to make your entry into EDI,
I recommend you get an ENTRY LEVEL (means 0 or close to 0 experience) mapper
job and from there build your way up.

How did you do "a lot of maps" in Gentran if you do not know what X12 is?
You would also know as you state "How a edi tool work" and you would know
what a "trading partner" is and what an "envelope" then maybe you would do
well in your interview.

I feel bad for your potential employer if you BS your way through to get the
job. EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick simply
pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you have to
appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good experience to make a
career out of it.  You can not do that in two days.




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Behalf Of nishu kr
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:08 AM
To: 
Subject: [edi_gns] RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.



thanks all ,

now i have certainly come to know a lot about this field. i  accept my fault
of not properly putting  my querries.

Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding  part only  now i  would
like to  know the real business part of it .

give some links which could help me actually moving  a  step  ahead in edi.

nishu


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I am not smokin' anything and I used to be a developer for many years.

My point was that jumping from C++ to JAVA or from JavaScript to VB Script
or to Perl is not the same thing as picking up EDI.

I have run into many cases while interviewing when a developer thinks they
can just pick up EDI as if it was another scripting language or something.

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Travis Truax
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 5:40 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.

>>"EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick
>>simply pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you
>>have to appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good
>>experience to make a career out of it.  You can not do that in two days."

What are you smokin' ? "Easy" programming language! You MUST not be a
programmer.... :P

Travis-




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Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:23 AM
To: 'Jon Garniss'
Cc:
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


Not a joke, unfortunately.....

Just a guy who thinks that if he can BS his way through an interview he will
get the job, then eventually...maybe...someday...have a clue as to what EDI
is, and how it and the software really work.

Sad day in the EDI world if that happens.......

Chris

   _____

From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of Jon
Garniss
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:46 PM
To: Kotoyan, Michael; 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


Is this whole thread a joke? I personally find this disturbing.

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Kotoyan, Michael
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:37 PM
To: 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.

We all had to start from somewhere, if you want to make your entry into EDI,
I recommend you get an ENTRY LEVEL (means 0 or close to 0 experience) mapper
job and from there build your way up.

How did you do "a lot of maps" in Gentran if you do not know what X12 is?
You would also know as you state "How a edi tool work" and you would know
what a "trading partner" is and what an "envelope" then maybe you would do
well in your interview.

I feel bad for your potential employer if you BS your way through to get the
job. EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick simply
pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you have to
appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good experience to make a
career out of it.  You can not do that in two days.




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Behalf Of nishu kr
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:08 AM
To: 
Subject: [edi_gns] RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.



thanks all ,

now i have certainly come to know a lot about this field. i  accept my fault
of not properly putting  my querries.

Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding  part only  now i  would
like to  know the real business part of it .

give some links which could help me actually moving  a  step  ahead in edi.

nishu


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Does anyone know of a good source to see what the changes are in X12 v. 5010 and
5030 (compared to v. 4010)?  I am also wondering if anyone has seen these
versions implemented yet.  The only trading partner I've heard talking about it
is Wal-Mart.

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> I am looking for a high level estimate of what Third Party providers can do,
> and an estimate of costs for the service, sign-up cost, document cost, etc.

Most third-party services I've encountered offer everything from Fax-to-Edi
(user does nothing) to mapping, translation,
acknowledgment and turnaround document generation, transport, archiving, etc.
etc,  and let you "pick and choose" the services for
which you will contract.

Needless to say, costs vary widely (or is it wildly?) depending on the services,
but it mostly reduces to paying per-character for
communications and archiving and per-document for mapping/turnarounds.

Last time I looked there were as many 'service package options' as are offered
by cellular telephone services providers... that is,
some fixed monthly/quarterly fee gets you so many characters and/or documents,
and you pay extra if you 'go over' during that
period.

Michael Mattias
Tal Systems, Inc.
Racine WI

Hi --

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are interested please send your resume, rate, and a summary of
experience as it relates to the following.   Here are the specifics:

     * RosettaNet knowledgeable with 3 - 5 years of experience working
       with the RosettaNet organization and standards.

     * Must be familiar with the RosettaNet Implementation Guides  and
       how to create them.

     * Must be able to work with internal company's businesses to gather
       business requirements as input into the Implemention Guides.

     * Must be able to work with internal company's IT teams to create
       the back-end application mapping processes.

     * Must have implemented at least 5 - 7 large RN projects that
       included up to 6 - 10 unique Pips per project.

     * Must have 3 - 5 years of business process  knowledge in regards to
       Orders, Forecasting, Repair/Warranty, Customer, etc.

     * Excellent interpersonal skills for gathering  the business
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I am facing a time crunch or I would go out and Google this.

I am looking for a high level estimate of what Third Party providers can do,
and an estimate of costs for the service, sign-up cost, document cost, etc.

Thanks in Advance.

Jeff Rover
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>>"EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick simply
>>pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you have to
>>appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good experience to make a
>>career out of it.  You can not do that in two days."

What are you smokin' ? "Easy" programming language! You MUST not be a
programmer.... :P

Travis-




-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher E. Cancilla [mailto:
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:23 AM
To: 'Jon Garniss'
Cc:
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


Not a joke, unfortunately.....

Just a guy who thinks that if he can BS his way through an interview he will
get the job, then eventually...maybe...someday...have a clue as to what EDI
is, and how it and the software really work.

Sad day in the EDI world if that happens.......

Chris

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Garniss
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:46 PM
To: Kotoyan, Michael; 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


Is this whole thread a joke? I personally find this disturbing.

-----Original Message-----
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Kotoyan, Michael
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:37 PM
To: 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.

We all had to start from somewhere, if you want to make your entry into EDI,
I recommend you get an ENTRY LEVEL (means 0 or close to 0 experience) mapper
job and from there build your way up.

How did you do "a lot of maps" in Gentran if you do not know what X12 is?
You would also know as you state "How a edi tool work" and you would know
what a "trading partner" is and what an "envelope" then maybe you would do
well in your interview.

I feel bad for your potential employer if you BS your way through to get the
job. EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick simply
pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you have to
appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good experience to make a
career out of it.  You can not do that in two days.




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Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:08 AM
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thanks all ,

now i have certainly come to know a lot about this field. i  accept my fault
of not properly putting  my querries.

Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding  part only  now i  would
like to  know the real business part of it .

give some links which could help me actually moving  a  step  ahead in edi.

nishu


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Not a joke, unfortunately.....

Just a guy who thinks that if he can BS his way through an interview he will
get the job, then eventually...maybe...someday...have a clue as to what EDI
is, and how it and the software really work.

Sad day in the EDI world if that happens.......

Chris

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From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of Jon
Garniss
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:46 PM
To: Kotoyan, Michael; 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


Is this whole thread a joke? I personally find this disturbing.

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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:37 PM
To: 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.

We all had to start from somewhere, if you want to make your entry into EDI,
I recommend you get an ENTRY LEVEL (means 0 or close to 0 experience) mapper
job and from there build your way up.

How did you do "a lot of maps" in Gentran if you do not know what X12 is?
You would also know as you state "How a edi tool work" and you would know
what a "trading partner" is and what an "envelope" then maybe you would do
well in your interview.

I feel bad for your potential employer if you BS your way through to get the
job. EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick simply
pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you have to
appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good experience to make a
career out of it.  You can not do that in two days.




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thanks all ,

now i have certainly come to know a lot about this field. i  accept my fault
of not properly putting  my querries.

Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding  part only  now i  would
like to  know the real business part of it .

give some links which could help me actually moving  a  step  ahead in edi.

nishu


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Exactly!!

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For fear of being flamed again I want to stand on my soapbox and shout to
you all, Yes Michael, thank you for your remarks.

I am a professional, I have over 18 years of EDI experience in the
automotive sector in both Ansi X12 and UN/Edifact.  I had to work my way up
from a person who got dumped on because no one saw a future in this to
working with all of the big names in the Industry, Honda, Toyota, Nissan,
GM, Saturn, Ford, etc..

For what it is worth, my 18 years of experience come with a price tag and it
was hard on me and many a night not home with the family to get here.  I am
not going to educate someone so they can BS their way into a position and
hurt the rest of us who have done our jobs so that we could be considered an
EDI Professional, of which I do feel that I am.

Yes, I want to educate what I know to the next generation.  That was how I
was taught at McDonnell Douglas when I worked there.  I was in Corporate
Education and I love to pass on data to help people.  But for the life of
me, I just can't do it anymore for free.

Flame me again if you want, but somebody somewhere has to take a stand.

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I'd like to bring notice to the fact an SLA (Service Level Agreement) brings no
guarantee that a service provider (like GXS or Covisint) will ever deliver their
services with no interruptions.  What an SLA usually brings is a financial
penalty to the service provider when they do not perform.  An SLA is supposed to
be an incentive to the service provider to perform at a certain level, but there
are "no guarantees" the service provider will perform either way.

"Bachman, Ryan" < wrote:
   I think the GXS issue must be related strictly to AS2. I checked with
our helpdesk, and they have not seen any recent issues with GXS. We have
sent GXS several thousand documents in the past 24 hours (not counting
the messages we have received), so we would notice any issues
immediately.

If you're looking for better reliability, Covisint is the only VAN I'm
aware of to offer a guaranteed SLA on uptime. A VAN cannot afford to be
down when you have customers as large as General Motors. Feel free to
send an email to  for more
information.

Ryan Bachman

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Thomas Seay
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:11 PM
To: ddaviesnew; 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Is anyone else having AS2 issues with GXS?


Sorry to hear about your problem, but it doesnt
surprize me.  After all, it's GXS we are talking about
here.  I wont work at a company that has GXS as a VAN.
I avoid a lot of headaches and frustrations that way.


BTW, how do you like their customer "service"?
-Thomas

--- ddaviesnew < wrote:

>
>
> They have been down since 10:30 and they can't
> provide an update as to
> when the VAN service will be back on line.
>
> It's time to look elsewhere.
>
> Frustrated.
>
>
>
>
>


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Anyone using GIS with SAP and returning status messages back into SAP?
We have an outbound BP that is using the out of the box StatusMsg map
and it is returning an error when triggering my inbound SAP BP:  (104)
RFC_ERROR_SYSTEM_FAILURE: Status record 1 is invalid (TABNAM: 'EDI_DC').
My status message contains the EDI_DS record which I know is valid per
the SAP IDOC so I stumped why the error message references an EDI_DC
record.

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I've found it best to just not help those people where I feel like I'm
being asked to help them scam somebody else.
If they word their request appropriately, I'm glad to help.  If they
can't even be specific enough to ask about the mark's environment, they
don't deserve my time in replying.  And the grammar has little to do
with it.

"I took a splinter out of my wife's finger once and have a job interview
for the neurosurgical team at a major hospital, tomorrow.
Can somebody tell me what kinds of operations brain surgeons do?"

This person *probably* isn't going to meet with an offer for employment,
but I'm not going to be the one that gives the answer for that
particular exam question that the administrator was looking for.

I'm seeing more and more "ex-consultants" going to work for companies
and BSing their way through the first month, or so.  Then surviving on
bravado, intimidation and more BS yet not even learning the basic skills
for the job they were hired to do.  They didn't need to learn those
skills as their foot is in the door and there are better positions to be
had.  And on it goes, ad nauseum.  Or maybe It's been going on for a
long time.

Thanks,
Martin Morrison

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	 To: Thomas Seay; 
	 Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


	 Thomas

	 > > "I have a job interview tomorrow, please tell me
	 > > what EDI is all about" is
	 > > probably not going to to be answered without some
	 > > rancor.
	 >
	 > Why is that?  Nishu has done some mapping in the past
	 > but does not have a comprehensive understanding of
	 > EDI.
	 > Now he wants to interview for an EDI position and
	 > would like to prepare for it.

	 I don't think that this list is an appropriate place to get
general help about
	 the basic concepts of EDI.
	 There is a _huge_ amount of stuff online, that can be found in
just a few
	 minutes with Google.

	 > What is so morally and ethically offensive about that?
	 > Let the person on this list who has never "crammed"
	 > for
	 > an exam or done some "last minute" reading for an
	 > interview cast the first stone.  What about it Earl?
	 > With those conditions are you the one suitable to
	 > throw the rock?

	 You are addressing the wrong person.  I either don't reply or
give out links to
	 where the answers can be found.  I have _never_ told anyone that
their request
	 was not reasonable.

	 I just tried to explain how these very general requests can
sometime be met
	 with anger - considering the job shortages and outsourcing
trends.

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>Why is that?  Nishu has done some mapping in the past but does not have
a >comprehensive understanding of EDI.
>Now he wants to interview for an EDI position and would like to prepare
for >it.

Posting a "do my homework" question the day before the interview does
not constitute preparation, not in any meaningful sense of that word.

>What is so morally and ethically offensive about that?
>Let the person on this list who has never "crammed"
>for an exam or done some "last minute" reading for an
>interview cast the first stone.

Helping someone to pretend he is something he isn't, is as dishonest as
showing up unqualified for the job yourself.

I have never understood how Jesus' words apply to a situation like this.
Having made a particular mistake myself somehow disqualifies me from
pointing it out to someone else?!?  I thought we were supposed to learn
from experience.

Howard Parks
1 Peter 4:10

Thomas

> > "I have a job interview tomorrow, please tell me
> > what EDI is all about" is
> > probably not going to to be answered without some
> > rancor.
>
> Why is that?  Nishu has done some mapping in the past
> but does not have a comprehensive understanding of
> EDI.
> Now he wants to interview for an EDI position and
> would like to prepare for it.

I don't think that this list is an appropriate place to get general help about
the basic concepts of EDI.
There is a _huge_ amount of stuff online, that can be found in just a few
minutes with Google.

> What is so morally and ethically offensive about that?
> Let the person on this list who has never "crammed"
> for
> an exam or done some "last minute" reading for an
> interview cast the first stone.  What about it Earl?
> With those conditions are you the one suitable to
> throw the rock?

You are addressing the wrong person.  I either don't reply or give out links to
where the answers can be found.  I have _never_ told anyone that their request
was not reasonable.

I just tried to explain how these very general requests can sometime be met
with anger - considering the job shortages and outsourcing trends.

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

I think the GXS issue must be related strictly to AS2. I checked with
our helpdesk, and they have not seen any recent issues with GXS. We have
sent GXS several thousand documents in the past 24 hours (not counting
the messages we have received), so we would notice any issues
immediately.

If you're looking for better reliability, Covisint is the only VAN I'm
aware of to offer a guaranteed SLA on uptime. A VAN cannot afford to be
down when you have customers as large as General Motors. Feel free to
send an email to  for more
information.

Ryan Bachman

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Thomas Seay
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:11 PM
To: ddaviesnew; 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] Is anyone else having AS2 issues with GXS?


Sorry to hear about your problem, but it doesnt
surprize me.  After all, it's GXS we are talking about
here.  I wont work at a company that has GXS as a VAN.
I avoid a lot of headaches and frustrations that way.


BTW, how do you like their customer "service"?
-Thomas

--- ddaviesnew < wrote:

>
>
> They have been down since 10:30 and they can't
> provide an update as to
> when the VAN service will be back on line.
>
> It's time to look elsewhere.
>
> Frustrated.
>
>
>
>
>


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--- Earl Wertheimer < wrote:

> "I have a job interview tomorrow, please tell me
> what EDI is all about" is
> probably not going to to be answered without some
> rancor.

Why is that?  Nishu has done some mapping in the past
but does not have a comprehensive understanding of
EDI.
Now he wants to interview for an EDI position and
would like to prepare for it.

What is so morally and ethically offensive about that?
Let the person on this list who has never "crammed"
for
an exam or done some "last minute" reading for an
interview cast the first stone.  What about it Earl?
With those conditions are you the one suitable to
throw the rock?

-Thomas Seay

-Thomas


That's because you are being self-righteous.

The gentleman positin




--- Earl Wertheimer < wrote:

> Thomas
>
> > Perhaps there was another email that I missed, but
> I
> > dont understand the rancor towards this request.
> It
> > is possible to do mapping and not understand the
> > business application of a given set of documents.
> So,
> > I find Nishu's request a reasonable one.
>
> We assume that all requests for help have been
> preceeded by a modest search. It
> should be common practice to at least do a search
> within the mailing list
> archive before posting a redundant request to
> hundreds (thousands?) of list
> subscribers...
> Sometimes the requests are so vague and fundamental
> that it's difficult to deal
> with them seriously.
>
> "I have a job interview tomorrow, please tell me
> what EDI is all about" is
> probably not going to to be answered without some
> rancor.
>
> Just my 0.02 cents...
>
> Earl Wertheimer
> 
> http://www.spe-edi.com
>
>


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> Perhaps there was another email that I missed, but I
> dont understand the rancor towards this request.  It
> is possible to do mapping and not understand the
> business application of a given set of documents.  So,
> I find Nishu's request a reasonable one.

We assume that all requests for help have been preceeded by a modest search. It
should be common practice to at least do a search within the mailing list
archive before posting a redundant request to hundreds (thousands?) of list
subscribers...
Sometimes the requests are so vague and fundamental that it's difficult to deal
with them seriously.

"I have a job interview tomorrow, please tell me what EDI is all about" is
probably not going to to be answered without some rancor.

Just my 0.02 cents...

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

Sorry to hear about your problem, but it doesnt
surprize me.  After all, it's GXS we are talking about
here.  I wont work at a company that has GXS as a VAN.
  I avoid a lot of headaches and frustrations that way.


BTW, how do you like their customer "service"?
-Thomas

--- ddaviesnew < wrote:

>
>
> They have been down since 10:30 and they can't
> provide an update as to
> when the VAN service will be back on line.
>
> It's time to look elsewhere.
>
> Frustrated.
>
>
>
>
>


<<He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all
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Adam down; and, then, as if his chest had been a mortar,
he burst his hot heart's shell upon it.>>

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Perhaps there was another email that I missed, but I
dont understand the rancor towards this request.  It
is possible to do mapping and not understand the
business application of a given set of documents.  So,
I find Nishu's request a reasonable one.

Obviously english is not Nishu's first language
and his words are not couched in the deep muck of
"corporate speak" so it might be difficult for some
list readers to understand.

-Thomas

>
> thanks all ,
>
> now i have certainly come to know a lot about this
> field. i  accept my fault
> of not properly putting  my querries.
>
> Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
> done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding
> part only  now i  would
> like to  know the real business part of it .
>
> give some links which could help me actually moving
> a  step  ahead in edi.
>
> nishu
>

<<He piled upon the whale's white hump the sum of all
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For fear of being flamed again I want to stand on my soapbox and shout to you
all, Yes Michael, thank you for your remarks.

I am a professional, I have over 18 years of EDI experience in the automotive
sector in both Ansi X12 and UN/Edifact.  I had to work my way up from a person
who got dumped on because no one saw a future in this to working with all of the
big names in the Industry, Honda, Toyota, Nissan, GM, Saturn, Ford, etc..

For what it is worth, my 18 years of experience come with a price tag and it was
hard on me and many a night not home with the family to get here.  I am not
going to educate someone so they can BS their way into a position and hurt the
rest of us who have done our jobs so that we could be considered an EDI
Professional, of which I do feel that I am.

Yes, I want to educate what I know to the next generation.  That was how I was
taught at McDonnell Douglas when I worked there.  I was in Corporate Education
and I love to pass on data to help people.  But for the life of me, I just can't
do it anymore for free.

Flame me again if you want, but somebody somewhere has to take a stand.

John
Bowling Green, KY
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kotoyan, Michael
   To: 
   Cc: 
   Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:36 AM
   Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


   We all had to start from somewhere, if you want to make your entry into EDI,
   I recommend you get an ENTRY LEVEL (means 0 or close to 0 experience) mapper
   job and from there build your way up.

   How did you do "a lot of maps" in Gentran if you do not know what X12 is?
   You would also know as you state "How a edi tool work" and you would know
   what a "trading partner" is and what an "envelope" then maybe you would do
   well in your interview.

   I feel bad for your potential employer if you BS your way through to get the
   job. EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick simply
   pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you have to
   appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good experience to make a
   career out of it.  You can not do that in two days.




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   Behalf Of nishu kr
   Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:08 AM
   To: 
   Subject: [edi_gns] RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.



   thanks all ,

   now i have certainly come to know a lot about this field. i  accept my fault
   of not properly putting  my querries.

   Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
   done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding  part only  now i  would
   like to  know the real business part of it .

   give some links which could help me actually moving  a  step  ahead in edi.

   nishu


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From: ddaviesnew

They have been down since 10:30 and they can't provide an update as to
when the VAN service will be back on line.

It's time to look elsewhere.

Frustrated.

They have been down since 10:30 and they can't provide an update as to
when the VAN service will be back on line.

It's time to look elsewhere.

Frustrated.

Is this whole thread a joke? I personally find this disturbing.

-----Original Message-----
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Michael
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:37 PM
To: 
Cc: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.

We all had to start from somewhere, if you want to make your entry into EDI,
I recommend you get an ENTRY LEVEL (means 0 or close to 0 experience) mapper
job and from there build your way up.

How did you do "a lot of maps" in Gentran if you do not know what X12 is?
You would also know as you state "How a edi tool work" and you would know
what a "trading partner" is and what an "envelope" then maybe you would do
well in your interview.

I feel bad for your potential employer if you BS your way through to get the
job. EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick simply
pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you have to
appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good experience to make a
career out of it.  You can not do that in two days.




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Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:08 AM
To: 
Subject: [edi_gns] RE: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.



thanks all ,

now i have certainly come to know a lot about this field. i  accept my fault
of not properly putting  my querries.

Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding  part only  now i  would
like to  know the real business part of it .

give some links which could help me actually moving  a  step  ahead in edi.

nishu


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We all had to start from somewhere, if you want to make your entry into EDI,
I recommend you get an ENTRY LEVEL (means 0 or close to 0 experience) mapper
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How did you do "a lot of maps" in Gentran if you do not know what X12 is?
You would also know as you state "How a edi tool work" and you would know
what a "trading partner" is and what an "envelope" then maybe you would do
well in your interview.

I feel bad for your potential employer if you BS your way through to get the
job. EDI is NOT a like an easy programming language that you can pick simply
pick up if you are a good developer, EDI is an industry, you have to
appreciate the fact that it takes years to build good experience to make a
career out of it.  You can not do that in two days.




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thanks all ,

now i have certainly come to know a lot about this field. i  accept my fault
of not properly putting  my querries.

Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding  part only  now i  would
like to  know the real business part of it .

give some links which could help me actually moving  a  step  ahead in edi.

nishu


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>   can someone  tell me where can i get details about x12 - 850 messsage  and
>   edifact - orders  and other  messsages also.

X12 definitions are online at
http://www.x12.org/x12org/subcommittees/dev/dpANS_V5.cfm

EDIFACT is at http://www.unece.org/trade/untdid/welcome.htm

>   like "BT---bill to "  there are  so many qualifiers for diffferent
>   segment---segment elements where these can be found and what the segment
>   speaks of .

Once you find the element number  (66) for the BT qualifier, you can look at
all other possible values in the Data Element dictionary.

Look at existing company examples for qualifiers that are on common use...
BT, ST, SU, MA, etc...

Links are at http://www.spe-edi.com/links.html

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

I would think if you've done a lot of mapping that you'd know about the
various qualifiers.  How do you create a map if you don't know what
you're mapping or why?

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Hi all,

   thanks to all who have given me something to think and learn.

   can someone  tell me where can i get details about x12 - 850 messsage
and edifact - orders  and other  messsages also.

   like "BT---bill to "  there are  so many qualifiers for diffferent
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>We maintain a large list of EDI links at http://www.spe-edi.com/links.html

And Earl's page is IMNSHO the finest collection of links available online.

> Many companies, like JCPenney have all their EDI specifications & examples
online.

True. But I am currently working on Wal-Mart stuff for the first time in about
eight years, and for some reason Wal-Mart has elected
to make their IGs available only to registered users with a logon and password.
(Client requested one from Wal-Mart for me, then
just gave me his so I could get the damn job done on time).

Yes, I can see how that makes sense to limit the use of the self-test portal
(which is pretty neat, actually), but just 'on
principle' seems to me that making EDI IGs available "to anyone, anytime" would
encourage/facilitate more potential partners to
actually deploy EDI with their trading partners.

I just don't see a rationale behind "IGs available only to registered users". 
Anyone got one?


Michael C. Mattias
Tal Systems Inc.
Racine WI

Nishu

>   give some links which could help me actually moving  a  step  ahead in edi.

We maintain a large list of EDI links at http://www.spe-edi.com/links.html

Additions & suggestions are always welcome.
Many companies, like JCPenney have all their EDI specifications & examples
online.

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

When you send an ip packet, there is a source port AND a destination port on
just your "outbound" data. A change in terminology probably would have
clarified things for everyone. :)

Travis-

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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 7:58 PM
To:  
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


Kanchi

> I believe the 5 Ports that Canadian retailer mentioned are their outbound
> ports (80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080). But, they will be coming to a
> particular Port on your system that you tell them to come to. Usually,
this Port
> is built into the URL itself.

No.  Their outbound ports become my inbound ports.  I can tell them that my
server is at http://127.0.0.1:9584 but they will just tell me to go fish ;-)
PS: Port 9584 is from an AS2 Hub that we are in production with...

> For example, your URL can be http://b2b.vendor.com:4080/IP2
> In this URL, you are asking your partner to come to only Port# 4080 and
> your AS2 server will listen to only one port# 4080. And this will be the
> same for all of your inbound partners.

Only if my inbound partners agree.  This one does not.

> Your AS2 software won't care from which Port the trading partner is coming
> from, they can come from either 80 or 2080 or 9080 etc.

That would be wrong.  All servers have to be configured to 'listen' on a
particular port.  Most times, these are defaults (Web, Email, SSH, Telnet,
etc...)
AS2 recommends a few ports, but you can actually use almost any other.
Ex. pcAnywhere uses 5631 & 5632.  If you want additional pcAny sessions, you

have no choice but to use other ports...

If I already have an AS2 server listening on port 8001, then something sent
to
9080 will be ignored.

We _have_ found 2 possible solutions, depending on the client setup.
1) run multiple server sessions, each listening on a different port.
2) configure the router to forward the incoming AS2 to the port which is
being
used by the server.

thanks for everyone's input...

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Hi all,

   thanks to all who have given me something to think and learn.

   can someone  tell me where can i get details about x12 - 850 messsage  and
edifact - orders  and other  messsages also.

   like "BT---bill to "  there are  so many qualifiers for diffferent
segment---segment elements where these can be found and what the segment speaks
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the posting, if nothing other than some advice to learn how to use
Google.  Other than that, you might start with some of the links posted
on this Yahoo Group's pages.

Mike

nishu kr wrote:
> thanks all ,
>
>   now i have certainly come to know a lot about this field. i  accept my fault
of not properly putting  my querries.
>
>   Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
>   done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding  part only  now i  would 
like to  know the real business part of it .
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And the fact that the NTE does not appear any longer in the 850 was a result
of several DM's I submitted to X12 in the early 1990's which attempted to
delete all NTE segments in all transaction sets in which it occurred. The
DM's were approved for all but a small one or two transaction sets - I can
recall which ones.

Unfortunately, the MSG segment reared its ugly head.

Oh well . . .

Rachel
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Chessman
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:17 PM
To: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????


Jon,

NTE is defined in 4010 and used in 81 (if my count is correct) different
transaction sets, however it is not used in the 850.

Best regards,
Bill Chessman
Inovis(tm)

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Subject: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????

Hi everyone,

I have a trading partner who insists on sending the NTE segment in their
850 V 4010. I look in my data dictionary and the NTE segment doesn't
exist in any reference I have. Am I wrong or is the NTE not in the 850
for v 4010?

Thanks,
Jon




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   The best place for any EDI novice is www.ediiseasy.com. As the name itself
speaks for its simplicity of information !!!

   Regards
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"Christopher E. Cancilla" < wrote:

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> search a clear picture about them can be found i have too less time.....
> *[1] * *edi*,
> *[2] _X12_* (*message--version - -release-- isa/ise --gs/ge--st/se*),
> *[3] _EDIFACT_ *(*message--version - -release--
> una,unb/unz--ung/une---unh/unt*-),
> *[4] VAN, *
> **
> *[5] How a edi tool work, like gentran (something related to parsing
> concept)*
> **
> *[6] what is interchange envelope, funtional group, tradind partner
> ........*
> **
> *[7] what are the most common things and differences in X12 &
> EDIFACT.*
> **
> *[8] what are the most common question related to edi and its
> standards asked in any job interview...............*
> **
> *i m getting a interview for job in edi after two days ...!!!!! PLEASE
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thanks all ,

   now i have certainly come to know a lot about this field. i  accept my fault 
of not properly putting  my querries.

   Actually  i m working on GENTRAN  windows NT  5.0.
   done a lot of maps but i was restricted to coding  part only  now i  would 
like to  know the real business part of it .

   give some links which could help me actually moving  a  step  ahead in edi.

   nishu


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Well, let me see if I can summarize my 15+ years of experience in EDI into a
nice neat nugget you can use to call yourself and EDI expert:
EDI is the transfer of not-so-standards-based data, between entities that
pretend to be cooperating.
An EDI tool, like GENTRAN, is then used to convert that data (using maps,
scripts, preprocesors, work-arounds, postprocessors and magic) to a poorly
defined and constantly changing application or database format, which is
then sometimes accepted by the application.
The whole process, of course, works (or doesn't) in both directions, and in
many different segments of the supply chain.

Knock 'em dead on the interview!

Greg Knowles

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 1:04 AM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


Hi All,


   Tell me in details about these ...... and  links where without much
search a clear  picture about  them can be found  i  have too less time.....


   [1]  edi,

   [2]  X12  (message--version - -release-- isa/ise --gs/ge--st/se),

   [3]  EDIFACT (message--version - -release--
una,unb/unz--ung/une---unh/unt-),

   [4] VAN,

   [5] How a edi tool work, like gentran (something related to parsing
concept)

   [6]  what is interchange  envelope,  funtional  group,  tradind partner
........

   [7]   what are the most common things and  differences in X12 & EDIFACT.

   [8]  what are the most common question related to edi and its standards
asked in any job interview...............

   i m  getting  a  interview for job in edi  after two days ...!!!!!
PLEASE HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.


   regards

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>
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>   Tell me in details about these ...... and  links where without much
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>
>
>   [1]  edi,
>
>   [2]  X12  (message--version - -release-- isa/ise --gs/ge--st/se),
>
>   [3]  EDIFACT (message--version - -release--
> una,unb/unz--ung/une---unh/unt-),
>
>   [4] VAN,
>
>   [5] How a edi tool work, like gentran (something related to parsing
> concept)
>
>   [6]  what is interchange  envelope,  funtional  group,  tradind partner
> ........
>
>   [7]   what are the most common things and  differences in X12 & EDIFACT.
>
>   [8]  what are the most common question related to edi and its standards
> asked in any job interview...............
>
>   i m  getting  a  interview for job in edi  after two days ...!!!!!
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>
>
>   regards
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> >  Tell me in details about these ......
.
>>>  i m  getting  a  interview for job in edi  after two days ...!!!!!

You know what you know; you don't know what you don't know.

Be honest with the prospective employer. But let me give you some advice...

If your prospective employer is seeking a trainee, you may be just the right
person.

But If you have to ask those particular questions and your prospective employer
is seeking someone with EDI experience or expertise,
you are not qualified. In this case, please do not waste the client's time, as
it makes true  EDI Professionals look, well,
unprofessional.

Michael Mattias
Tal Systems, Inc.
Racine WI

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=what+is+EDI

http://www.ask.com/web?q=what+is+EDI&qsrc=0&o=0

Start with the two above web sites.  3-5 years from now you may have a clue.

Chris






nishu kr wrote:
> Hi All,
> Tell me in details about these ...... and links where without much
> search a clear picture about them can be found i have too less time.....
> *[1] * *edi*,
> *[2] _X12_* (*message--version - -release-- isa/ise --gs/ge--st/se*),
> *[3] _EDIFACT_ *(*message--version - -release--
> una,unb/unz--ung/une---unh/unt*-),
> *[4] VAN, *
> **
> *[5] How a edi tool work, like gentran (something related to parsing
> concept)*
> **
> *[6] what is interchange envelope, funtional group, tradind partner
> ........*
> **
> *[7] what are the most common things and differences in X12 &
> EDIFACT.*
> **
> *[8] what are the most common question related to edi and its
> standards asked in any job interview...............*
> **
> *i m getting a interview for job in edi after two days ...!!!!! PLEASE
> HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.*
> **
> **
> *regards *
> **
> *Nishu*
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> We have a new app that includes an EDI translator. You must use it to
> get EDI data in and out.
>
> Problem is, it's a bit squirrelly.
>
> What EDI mappers should we check out to serve as a front end? Don't want
> to spend too much.

Between 'squirelly', 'want a front end' and the subject 'X12 to X12' it sounds
like this <unnamed> application either...

A) Does NOT include what those of us who have been around would call a
'translator' - software which reads, writes and edits ANSI
X12/EDIFACT data for compilance to a standard - it provides some kind of
"standard interface" such as SAP, Macola, MAPICS and dozens
of other 'off the shelf' applications, and leaves the translation and mapping to
the user (you!).
or
B) *Does* include a 'translator' which reads, writes and edits ANSI X12/EDIFACT
data, but that translator does not appear to working
correctly.
or
C) Includes all the translation and mapping software you need, but you don't
know how to use it to do "X12 to X12" mapping (often
called 'turnaround' mapping, or 'creating turnaround documents').

First of all, if you will provide the name of the application and what you mean
by "X12 to X12"  (specific document types would be
good here) someone here probably has direct experience with that product or
process and may have some good ideas for you.

Second, if your situation is "A" (standard interface, but you need software to
convert between that interface and ANSI X12/EDIFACT
data), there are many fine products on the market; which one is right for you
depends on all the usual factors: what and how much
you need it to do, the environment in which you work, the platform on which you
run, what documents in which direction you must
support, number of partner-documents (my personal favorite unit of measure),
etc.

Third, if your situation is "B" (the provided translation software does not work
correctly), well, that's a problem you'll have to
handle with the publisher... and if you can't get satisfaction, you'll have to
get creative. If you are not terribly intimate with
ANSI/EDIFACT EDI data you may need to engage an outside consultant to assist
with this process.

Fourth, if your situation is "C" (don't know how to use what you have to do
turnaround documents), that can be addressed through the
publisher's support/training department, or by enaging an outside consultant
familiar with the product and with your industry.

Bottom line is, while translator-mapper vendors can tell you what their product
offers for how many dollars, and outside consultants
such as myself can provide expertise using those products in specific industry
applications, there is just not enough information
here for anyone to give you some real-world direction on which you can rely.
(Sure, that's opinion; but we consultants opine for a
living).

Michael C. Mattias
Tal Systems Inc.
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nishu kr wrote:
> Hi All,
> Tell me in details about these ...... and links where without much
> search a clear picture about them can be found i have too less time.....
> *[1] * *edi*,
> *[2] _X12_* (*message--version - -release-- isa/ise --gs/ge--st/se*),
> *[3] _EDIFACT_ *(*message--version - -release--
> una,unb/unz--ung/une---unh/unt*-),
> *[4] VAN, *
> **
> *[5] How a edi tool work, like gentran (something related to parsing
> concept)*
> **
> *[6] what is interchange envelope, funtional group, tradind partner
> ........*
> **
> *[7] what are the most common things and differences in X12 & EDIFACT.*
> **
> *[8] what are the most common question related to edi and its
> standards asked in any job interview...............*
> **
> *i m getting a interview for job in edi after two days ...!!!!! PLEASE
> HELP AS EARLY AS POSSSIBLE.*
> **
> **
> *regards *
> **
> *Nishu*
>
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We have a new app that includes an EDI translator. You must use it to
get EDI data in and out.

Problem is, it's a bit squirrelly.

What EDI mappers should we check out to serve as a front end? Don't want
to spend too much.

TIA,
Orin Rehorst

...and others have dynamic port allocation (controlled by "other"
appliances), you never know which one you're gonna get.... --Forest
Gump? Umm no.

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Earl Wertheimer
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:58 PM
To:  
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


Kanchi

> I believe the 5 Ports that Canadian retailer mentioned are their
> outbound ports (80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080). But, they will be coming

> to a particular Port on your system that you tell them to come to.
> Usually, this Port is built into the URL itself.

No.  Their outbound ports become my inbound ports.  I can tell them that
my
server is at http://127.0.0.1:9584 but they will just tell me to go fish
;-)
PS: Port 9584 is from an AS2 Hub that we are in production with...

> For example, your URL can be http://b2b.vendor.com:4080/IP2 In this
> URL, you are asking your partner to come to only Port# 4080 and your
> AS2 server will listen to only one port# 4080. And this will be the
> same for all of your inbound partners.

Only if my inbound partners agree.  This one does not.

> Your AS2 software won't care from which Port the trading partner is
> coming from, they can come from either 80 or 2080 or 9080 etc.

That would be wrong.  All servers have to be configured to 'listen' on a

particular port.  Most times, these are defaults (Web, Email, SSH,
Telnet,
etc...)
AS2 recommends a few ports, but you can actually use almost any other.
Ex. pcAnywhere uses 5631 & 5632.  If you want additional pcAny sessions,
you
have no choice but to use other ports...

If I already have an AS2 server listening on port 8001, then something
sent to
9080 will be ignored.

We _have_ found 2 possible solutions, depending on the client setup.
1) run multiple server sessions, each listening on a different port.
2) configure the router to forward the incoming AS2 to the port which is
being
used by the server.

thanks for everyone's input...

Earl Wertheimer

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Hey Earl:

You may be right for the AS2 software you use,
however, for some AS2 software, you configure both
ends of the addressing when setting up a trading partner
relationship.
In other words, the sending and receiving ports can be different.

i.e. I tell Walmart to send to http://www.vendorxxx.com:5080
and Walmart tells me to send to http://walmart.xxx.com:4080
and neither of us care what port does the sending as this info
is part of the AS2 software setup. Or, perhaps, your new TP
does not have that capability.

Cheers,
-Paul



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|From:  [mailto: On
|Behalf Of Earl Wertheimer
|Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 8:58 PM
|To:  
|Subject: Re: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2
|
|
|Kanchi
|
|> I believe the 5 Ports that Canadian retailer mentioned are
|their outbound
|> ports (80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080). But, they will be coming to a
|> particular Port on your system that you tell them to come
|to. Usually, this Port
|> is built into the URL itself.
|
|No.  Their outbound ports become my inbound ports.  I can tell
|them that my
|server is at http://127.0.0.1:9584 but they will just tell me
|to go fish ;-)
|PS: Port 9584 is from an AS2 Hub that we are in production with...
|
|> For example, your URL can be http://b2b.vendor.com:4080/IP2
|> In this URL, you are asking your partner to come to only
|Port# 4080 and
|> your AS2 server will listen to only one port# 4080. And this
|will be the
|> same for all of your inbound partners.
|
|Only if my inbound partners agree.  This one does not.
|
|> Your AS2 software won't care from which Port the trading
|partner is coming
|> from, they can come from either 80 or 2080 or 9080 etc.
|
|That would be wrong.  All servers have to be configured to
|'listen' on a
|particular port.  Most times, these are defaults (Web, Email,
|SSH, Telnet,
|etc...)
|AS2 recommends a few ports, but you can actually use almost any other.
|Ex. pcAnywhere uses 5631 & 5632.  If you want additional pcAny
|sessions, you
|have no choice but to use other ports...
|
|If I already have an AS2 server listening on port 8001, then
|something sent to
|9080 will be ignored.
|
|We _have_ found 2 possible solutions, depending on the client setup.
|1) run multiple server sessions, each listening on a different port.
|2) configure the router to forward the incoming AS2 to the
|port which is being
|used by the server.
|
|thanks for everyone's input...
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Kanchi

> I believe the 5 Ports that Canadian retailer mentioned are their outbound
> ports (80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080). But, they will be coming to a
> particular Port on your system that you tell them to come to. Usually, this
Port
> is built into the URL itself.

No.  Their outbound ports become my inbound ports.  I can tell them that my
server is at http://127.0.0.1:9584 but they will just tell me to go fish ;-)
PS: Port 9584 is from an AS2 Hub that we are in production with...

> For example, your URL can be http://b2b.vendor.com:4080/IP2
> In this URL, you are asking your partner to come to only Port# 4080 and
> your AS2 server will listen to only one port# 4080. And this will be the
> same for all of your inbound partners.

Only if my inbound partners agree.  This one does not.

> Your AS2 software won't care from which Port the trading partner is coming
> from, they can come from either 80 or 2080 or 9080 etc.

That would be wrong.  All servers have to be configured to 'listen' on a
particular port.  Most times, these are defaults (Web, Email, SSH, Telnet,
etc...)
AS2 recommends a few ports, but you can actually use almost any other.
Ex. pcAnywhere uses 5631 & 5632.  If you want additional pcAny sessions, you
have no choice but to use other ports...

If I already have an AS2 server listening on port 8001, then something sent to
9080 will be ignored.

We _have_ found 2 possible solutions, depending on the client setup.
1) run multiple server sessions, each listening on a different port.
2) configure the router to forward the incoming AS2 to the port which is being
used by the server.

thanks for everyone's input...

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

I think this is an excellent thread.  There are of
course no apples to apples comparisons, but this is
pretty good metric.  I also know for every huge EDI
company there are hundreds of smaller ones who won't
ever approach.

My current project is at one of the aforementioned big
companies, (a Lilly customer actually).  Our metric
comes out to 120,689 per person.  This includes
systems and technical staff that work exclusively on
our hardware, EDI Specialists, mappers, and a couple
long-term consultants (cough, cough).

Another firm I worked at recently, an automotive
supplier, made the math easy.  It was a one-person EDI
show, (maybe 1.5 if you count the roving network
admin/server guy.)  They are also running at about
30,000 transactions per month, though mostly for just
a couple partners so it was much easier to manage.

Anyone else care to share?

--- William Troy Parrett
< wrote:

> Hello-
>
> We're gathering some metrics on our data translation
> and would like to
> know where we rate among other companies.
>
> Simply, how many transactions are processed per
> month per
> employee/contractor providing support?  A brief
> description of what
> business models you support would also be nice.
>
> We're a pharmaceutical manufacturer and do 29,333 on
> average per month per
> support person.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Troy Parrett
> Eli Lilly and Company
>
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James et al,

You're right. I got interested in this 10 years or so back when still at
Intuit, not least working on online banking, which has some parallels to
this space. Since then, I've spoken to David, Jon Bosak and a number of
others from this list. I mostly scan/lurk here, but wanted to respond on
this.

I do think there's some confusion about what that "iPod" is. Whether or
not ebXML, UBL etc are used, they are *NOT* user requirements, nor have
they any role in defining an end-user product. Users shouldn't even see
those words. Easy, seamless, interoperability between trading partners'
applications is the user requirement. In a sense, I think a "Cisco" is
the better analogy - a platform to enable standards-based networking to
be connected with the messy legacy stuff at the network edge. I see most
of the stuff discussed here as finding its application, eventually, at
the "network center" not the "network edge". Islands of B2B connectivity
will need to interconnect, and mass market B2B network platform leaders,
as they emerge, will want the scalability that comes from internally
having one standard way of doing things (and externally, one or as few
as possible).

Unlike the web, however, this is not a problem where a standard can
sweep all before it as a mass adoption enabler. That's because the
legacy apps, with all their quirky data structures, interfaces and
processes, aren't going away. The real business momentum towards solving
this is happening within industries. Often, an industry standard is part
of that, but customer demand driving cooperation from key suppliers and
legacy app vendors is the bigger issue. And data standards can't really
be completed until a fair amount of real-world deployment has worked out
the bugs.  Apps here are typically small vertical apps, not Oracle,
SAP... or even QuickBooks, though those apps do feature as well.

Traxian, the company I started after leaving Intuit, is wading through
this mud to build these communities of connected apps, to enable this
seamless, easy, low-cost interoperability. Specifically, we're focused
on a couple of industries (eg high-tech, wholesale distribution, retail)
that have pain around the problem, and in particular, a need to drive
B2B connectivity to smaller trading partners. We've been working with
some of the big names in those industries (Intel, Cisco, Coca-Cola,
Anheuser-Busch). SMBs are key though, because existing technologies are
too expensive for them - others will stick with the legacy stuff. But
still, building interoperable connections in these communities starts
out by connecting with those who have something - via email, FTP..
sometimes EDI VANS (yes!) and with the bigger guys, mostly AS2. At the
data level, it's mostly proprietary application formats. Where standards
play, it's industry-specific XML efforts and EDI. The size and
sparseness of generalized standards makes mapping harder... Also, target
systems (i.e. data consumers) can tell you how they need their data in
EDI, or their native format. Until and unless such a data consumer leaps
to making a new standard *their* standard for implementations (very
rare!), or until scalability requires it, it's make-work to introduce
some new intermediate standard.

So why I am here, and bothering to post this? Well, Traxian aspires to
be such a platform. We're building it the only way I think you can,
paying our dues by building user communities, one customer and one
application at a time. But eventually, as we scale, and solve these
problems for bigger communities, and interconnect with others, I expect
horizontal standards will become a part of what we do.

If a big "hub" or community wants to get more of their SMB partners (and
their applications) connected, then Traxian can help (whether or not
they have made ebXML/UBL their standard). I'd be happy to discuss any
such situations further.

Re the standards - Traxian may be a 'customer' eventually, and deploy at
mass scale, but not today.

Regards,
Roger Bass
Founder, Traxian.


-----Original Message-----
From: Governor James [mailto:
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 2:24 AM
To: David RR Webber (XML); Bill Chessman
Cc:   Klaus-Dieter
Naujok
Subject: [ubl-dev] an iPod of ebXML

So what with the Apple Mac/Microsoft meme, remixed with a "stalled"
ebXML I guess the obvious question is...

Who could build the iPod of ebXML?

Dean? Farrukh?


-----Original Message-----
From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:
Sent: 11 May 2006 22:32
To: Bill Chessman
Cc:   Klaus-Dieter
Naujok
Subject: RE: [ubl-dev] ebXML approval retrospective

Bill,

I've just taken a few moments here to read Klaus's piece.

Wow - even by Klaus's standards this is a dismal and self-deprecating
attack.

I'm here to tell everyone that the world of ebXML is nowhere near as
forgotten and
doomed as Klaus would have you think - and that Klaus really is down on
himself
when he should be reading more of the items on
http://ebxmlforum.net/5-years/
and taking some credit for positive outcomes!

Afterall noone ever said this was going to be easy!!

I'd take issue with many of Klaus's assertions and his outlook.

1) Turns out the big players DO have current ebXML support in their
products, Oracle, IBM ,Sun, BEA, SAP, Fujitsu, Sysbase, etc will all
sell you their solutions with ebXML support in them.  And Oracles' is
brand new - their iHub support for ebXML was released at end of 2005
(and its very good BTW as I've seen it close up).

2) He forgets that ebXML B2B remains the ONLY certified XML
interoperable solution out there - with more than a dozen vendors
completing the interoperability suite.

3) There are industries that have standardized on ebXML - PIDX
(agro-chemical), HL7 healthcare, electrical power - and we see the
auto-industry also garnering the benefits of using ebMS too and growing
its use.

4) There are large scale deployments - the whole of Norway is using
ebXML for healthcare insurance, and the NHS in UK is using it for
supplychain support.  So OK - in Klaus's self-deprecating stance -
these are just tiny little countries on the fringe of Europe that noone
pays much mind to.

5) Governments really do appreciate the value of open public standards
and open public implementations.  While ebXML may not have gone in the
direction Klaus wanted for it - nevertheless it is healthy and primed
to be an important part of where the internet and eBusiness is going -
driven by the open source and open services revolution.

6) ebXML registry for secure document storage (aka IHE/XDS) is about to
be THE solution - and ditto for ebXML Regsitry and semantic content
retrieval.  There is some serious momentum and sophisticated community
building behind this - and yes - this is exactly the sort of thing we
wanted registry to drive.

7) The new OASIS BPSS work is ground breaking - and OASIS just approved
the BCM work - that is founded
     from the original ebXML / CEFACT UMM concepts.  The ebXML solution
stack is changing the way people
     approach engineering their solutions - and yes - this does take time
to seep into the IT conciousness.

Klaus - come on man - GIVE ME A BREAK!  Just because noone is having a
huge party and lotsa Hollywood style bruhah does not mean you can sit
at your computer terminal and wail into your weak thin American beer,
or cheap Californian wine and depress us all!  Just because ebXML did
not do everything you thought it should you cannot ignore what your
child has achieved!  I feel like the prodigal son here - and Dad just
does not want to entertain anything good could have come of his
offspring once he left home and went off on his own.

This is the new wave internet community world and we know better.  Grass
roots is more important than Redmondian brash PR.

Get on board the new ebXML and enjoy!  We have an awful lot to be proud
of and much to thank you for - so quick raining on your own parade -
I'm not going to join you in wanting to [expletive deleted] on lemons when I can eat
cake and pizza and drink great English beer!!

The best of ebXML is yet to come and we can be very proud of what we
have already accomplished and the foundations we have created...

Remember when everyone trashed Apple as a crippled and broken spear and
Klaus was the only guy we knew who had an Apple Mac?!?

Cheers, DW

  -------- Original Message --------
Subject: [ubl-dev] ebXML approval retrospective
From: "Bill Chessman" <
Date: Thu, May 11, 2006 1:01 pm
To: < <

All,



Anybody else notice that today, May 11, 2006, is the 5th anniversary of
the approval of the original ebXML project?  I see that the chairman of
the original project (Klaus-Dieter Naujok) has put up some retrospective
commentaries on his blog page at
http://www.klauskorner.com/MyBlog/MyBlog.html.  For those nostalgic
folks that participated, there's even a video from that closing approval
meeting.



Still wondering where the story goes from here...



Best regards,

Bill Chessman

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Hello-

We're gathering some metrics on our data translation and would like to
know where we rate among other companies.

Simply, how many transactions are processed per month per
employee/contractor providing support?  A brief description of what
business models you support would also be nice.

We're a pharmaceutical manufacturer and do 29,333 on average per month per
support person.

Thanks!

Troy Parrett
Eli Lilly and Company

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NTE is present in all of the versions i.e, from 3030 to 5020.

Thanks,
Kanchi



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We currently use v4010 and the NTE does exist within this version.


Karen M. Squillacci
EDI Administrator
CVS/pharmacy
(ph) 401.770.3249
(fax) 401.652.0078
www.cvssuppliers.com


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From:  [mailto: Behalf Of Jon
Garniss
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:31 PM
To: Dickey, Colleen; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????


I'm glad to know that I'm not going crazy. I thought that was the case, but
I wanted to have all my bases covered.

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Dickey, Colleen [mailto:
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: Jon Garniss; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????

It looks like the NTE segment was removed from the 850 somewhere between
versions 3030 and 3070. It does not exist in 4010.
Colleen

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 1:09 PM
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Subject: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????

Hi everyone,

I have a trading partner who insists on sending the NTE segment in their
850 V 4010. I look in my data dictionary and the NTE segment doesn't exist
in any reference I have. Am I wrong or is the NTE not in the 850 for v
4010?

Thanks,
Jon




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Kanchi and Ken mentioned basically the same.

Bottom line, if they believe they can tell you what holes to pry into
your firewall, they need to be hit with the clue stick.
It's your prerogative to choose whatever port number you support for
incoming HTTP. If you have set up your S/W to listen on
http://your.company.com:8081/dumpyourAS2here, then that's what you tell
them to send it to. If they choose to listen on
http:/big.corp.ca:ZZ/AS2listener, where ZZ is one of those five port
numbers, that's fine, too. If they tell you they'll be connecting from
any of those five port numbers to your listener, you just say 'fine, I'm
not bothered with your client port number, anything 1-65something will
do, I'll just open up that IP number you're sending from".
But, if they say "you must listen on ports like ZZ", you just need to
tell them "sorry, they're already in use, please find a n AS2 software
supplier that will allow you to use whatever port I tell you to send to".
Of course, business relationship may prevent you from doing that, and
you may have to resort to port mapping (Apache will do that, Tomcat as
well, and many more, including routers/firewalls). But OTOH, why should
you and all your fellow partners to this big corp pay for their
stupidity? (I know, because they're big).

Earl Wertheimer wrote:
> Gait
>
>
>> what's the problem? They are going to listen for HTTP connections on 80,
>> 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080, you just pick one or
>> two depending on how many you can configure.
>> As for HTTP connections to your software, you tell them on what port
>> you're listening.
>> Normally, the sending party has no control over what port they're
>> connecting from, and filtering based on client port number is a bad idea.
>>
>
> They are specifying 5 Outbound ports.  No others.  That means that I have to
be
> able to listen on multiple ports...  Or redirect their port to the port
already
> setup for incoming.
>
> They don't care where I'm listening, as long it's one of their 5 choices.
>
> I can send on any port ;-)
>
> Earl Wertheimer
> 
> http://www.spe-edi.com
>
>
>


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We have an immediate opening for an entry-mid level EDI administrator /
coordinator in our corporate office located in The Grove/Miracle Mile
district of Los Angeles.  We are looking for a sharp, detail-oriented
individual with strong communication skills to help implement EDI for Samy's
Camera, Inc. - a dynamic and expanding company in the photographic industry.

You will work in the IT department. Responsibilities include, but are not
limited to the following:

* Interaction with trading partners

* Mapping

* Configuring communication links to trading partners

* Debugging & resolving EDI related problems



QUALIFICATIONS:

* Basic understanding of EDI / ANSI X12

* Basic understanding of SQL

* Strong communication skills and good at interacting with trading partners
& users.

* Experience with SoftShare Delta / ECS is a big plus but not a requirement.

* Computer savvy & basic programming skills a plus.


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If you are interested, please send resume to 

No third-party recruiters, please.

In the 850 document? ANSI X12 or customized dictionary?



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We currently use v4010 and the NTE does exist within this version.



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	 I'm glad to know that I'm not going crazy. I thought that was
the case, but I wanted to have all my bases covered.

	 Thanks!

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	 Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:26 PM
	 To: Jon Garniss; 
	 Subject: RE: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????

	 It looks like the NTE segment was removed from the 850 somewhere
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	 Colleen

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	 Hi everyone,

	 I have a trading partner who insists on sending the NTE segment
in their 850 V 4010. I look in my data dictionary and the NTE segment
doesn't exist in any reference I have. Am I wrong or is the NTE not in
the 850 for v 4010?

	 Thanks,
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:34 PM
To: 'Jon Garniss'; Dickey, Colleen; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????


We currently use v4010 and the NTE does exist within this version.


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Subject: RE: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????


I'm glad to know that I'm not going crazy. I thought that was the case, but I
wanted to have all my bases covered.

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: Jon Garniss; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????

It looks like the NTE segment was removed from the 850 somewhere between
versions 3030 and 3070. It does not exist in 4010.
Colleen

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Hi everyone,

I have a trading partner who insists on sending the NTE segment in their 850 V
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Thanks,
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I'm glad to know that I'm not going crazy. I thought that was the case, but I
wanted to have all my bases covered.

Thanks!

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:26 PM
To: Jon Garniss; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] NTE Segment in 4010 850????

It looks like the NTE segment was removed from the 850 somewhere between
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Colleen

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I have a trading partner who insists on sending the NTE segment in their 850 V
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It looks like the NTE segment was removed from the 850 somewhere between
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Colleen

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I have a trading partner who insists on sending the NTE segment in their 850 V
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I have a trading partner who insists on sending the NTE segment in their 850 V
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NTE is defined in 4010 and used in 81 (if my count is correct) different
transaction sets, however it is not used in the 850.

Best regards,
Bill Chessman
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I have a trading partner who insists on sending the NTE segment in their
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Hi everyone,

I have a trading partner who insists on sending the NTE segment in their
850 V 4010. I look in my data dictionary and the NTE segment doesn't
exist in any reference I have. Am I wrong or is the NTE not in the 850
for v 4010?

Thanks,
Jon

>
> I know that GS1 and other organizations, like GISB/NAESB specify ports;
> however it is my personal opinion that ports should be part of an
> agreement between trading partners and not part of a protocol.

I also believe that the DTMF tones between companies should be separately
agreed upon, it will make it much more difficult for telemarketers to cold
call you. In addition, I think each web server, smtp server and ftp server
should listen on different ports as defined by the company, strictly for
security purposes.

While we are at it, I think each company should define their values to their
company character set, and can send out the map only to their trading
partners. This will definitely aid in the security of e-mail between
companies.

The more I think about it, there is so much we can do to increase security
by doing away with standards. I'm all for it.

Regards,

Todd Gould
Chief Technical Officer
Loren Data Corp.

Does the Oracle 10g application server product with B2B integration and
thee Oracle EDI adapter have the capability to accept any EDI
transactions from the Vendor (Source) without a third party (non-
Oracle) EDI translator.  If the answer to this question is yes, then
can the X.12 EDI 811 (Consolidated Invoice) be brought into Oracle
financials using the 10g application server and/or only Oracle products?

We have a position open in the greater Chicago area for an EDI Analyst
with very strong communication skills and a background working heavily
with trading partners. They must have a solid AS400 and Extol work
history, this is an ASAP need as most jobs are. It is perm and does
not offer relo so the person must be local to Chicago or willing to
move there at their own expense. Thanks for your attention.

I know that GS1 and other organizations, like GISB/NAESB specify ports;
however it is my personal opinion that ports should be part of an
agreement between trading partners and not part of a protocol. Security
is the responsibility of the organization allowing inbound data to their
enterprise. This also provides a degree of security through obscurity
that is NOT public knowledge but a collaborative agreement between
business to business.

Regards,

Shan

Shan Harter
Systrends USA.
Vice President - Project Management
Tempe Arizona, 85284
ph:  480-756-6777 Ext 205,
fax: 480-756-9755, cell: 602-821-2951
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-----Original Message-----
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Ken Persing
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:50 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


Are you saying that the partner is telling you what port you need to
listen on?  Normally, the partner tells you what port you are supposed
to send to you and you tell them what port you listen on.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
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Earl Wertheimer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:28 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use
one of
these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were
doing
AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option... Any
others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

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Correct.

Shan

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:33 AM
To: Ken Persing; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


As Ken and others have mentioned you and your trading partner do not
need to match receiving port numbers. I.e. you can receive on 4080 and
they on 5080.


Dale Marthaller (604) 461-6779

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:50 AM
To: 
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Are you saying that the partner is telling you what port you need to
listen on?  Normally, the partner tells you what port you are supposed
to send to you and you tell them what port you listen on.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Earl Wertheimer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:28 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use
one of these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were
doing AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP. As additional hubs
switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option... Any
others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com




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I would have to guess that the trading partner in question has configured their
firewall to only pass outbound traffic to that list of ports.


Dale Marthaller (604) 461-6779

-----Original Message-----
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Truax
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 10:14 AM
To: 'Earl Wertheimer'; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2

This sounds really backwards to me as well. *Almost never* has anyone cared what
tcp source port was used to send anything. The destination port is where it's
at....

Travis-

-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Wertheimer [mailto:
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:01 PM
To: Gait Boxman; 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


Gait

> what's the problem? They are going to listen for HTTP connections on
> 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080, you just pick one or two depending on how
> many you can configure.
> As for HTTP connections to your software, you tell them on what port
> you're listening.
> Normally, the sending party has no control over what port they're
> connecting from, and filtering based on client port number is a bad idea.

They are specifying 5 Outbound ports.  No others.  That means that I have to be
able to listen on multiple ports...  Or redirect their port to the port already
setup for incoming.

They don't care where I'm listening, as long it's one of their 5 choices.

I can send on any port ;-)

Earl Wertheimer

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> Speaking of the trading partner in Canada, I am wondering why Drummond
> Certification is so important to them? I can do AS2 that follows the
> protocol, yet because my software is not "Drummond Certified", they will
> not allow us to use our software.
>
> What's the big deal with Drummond Certification?

Don't get me started ;-)

If you search the group archive, you will find lots of comments about this.

Hint:  Drummond Certification costs well over $50,000 US, plus a huge yearly
fee. Rik Drummond was the person who chaired the EDIINT committee.

Earl Wertheimer

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Jon,
	 You must have missed all the previous rants. It all just boils down
to $$$. If you look hard enough, maybe you too can find "nothing at all"
that you can charge $15K for! :)

Travis-

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:41 AM
To: Dale Marthaller; Ken Persing; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


Speaking of the trading partner in Canada, I am wondering why Drummond
Certification is so important to them? I can do AS2 that follows the
protocol, yet because my software is not "Drummond Certified", they will
not allow us to use our software.

What's the big deal with Drummond Certification?



-----Original Message-----
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Dale Marthaller
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:33 PM
To: Ken Persing; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2

As Ken and others have mentioned you and your trading partner do not
need to match receiving port numbers. I.e. you can receive on 4080 and
they on 5080.


Dale Marthaller (604) 461-6779

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Ken Persing
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:50 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2

Are you saying that the partner is telling you what port you need to
listen on?  Normally, the partner tells you what port you are supposed
to send to you and you tell them what port you listen on.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
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Earl Wertheimer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:28 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use
one of these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were
doing
AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
Any others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com




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This sounds really backwards to me as well. *Almost never* has anyone cared
what tcp source port was used to send anything. The destination port is
where it's at....

Travis-

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:01 PM
To: Gait Boxman; 
Subject: Re: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


Gait

> what's the problem? They are going to listen for HTTP connections on 80,
> 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080, you just pick one or
> two depending on how many you can configure.
> As for HTTP connections to your software, you tell them on what port
> you're listening.
> Normally, the sending party has no control over what port they're
> connecting from, and filtering based on client port number is a bad idea.

They are specifying 5 Outbound ports.  No others.  That means that I have to
be
able to listen on multiple ports...  Or redirect their port to the port
already
setup for incoming.

They don't care where I'm listening, as long it's one of their 5 choices.

I can send on any port ;-)

Earl Wertheimer

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All,



Anybody else notice that today, May 11, 2006, is the 5th anniversary of
the approval of the original ebXML project?  I see that the chairman of
the original project (Klaus-Dieter Naujok) has put up some retrospective
commentaries on his blog page at
http://www.klauskorner.com/MyBlog/MyBlog.html.  For those nostalgic
folks that participated, there's even a video from that closing approval
meeting.



Still wondering where the story goes from here...



Best regards,

Bill Chessman

Inovis(tm)



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Gait

> what's the problem? They are going to listen for HTTP connections on 80,
> 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080, you just pick one or
> two depending on how many you can configure.
> As for HTTP connections to your software, you tell them on what port
> you're listening.
> Normally, the sending party has no control over what port they're
> connecting from, and filtering based on client port number is a bad idea.

They are specifying 5 Outbound ports.  No others.  That means that I have to be
able to listen on multiple ports...  Or redirect their port to the port already
setup for incoming.

They don't care where I'm listening, as long it's one of their 5 choices.

I can send on any port ;-)

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

When Drummond certifies a program, they test it against all the other
certified programs to make sure they can communicate, exchange and
decipher each others MDNs (synchronous and asynchronous).

Presumably, all the folks such as yourself who don't use Certified
Software are having a terrible time with incompatibilities with all your
other uncertified trading partners. In the mean time, those of us who
use Certified Software never have any problems, ever.

Whether or not this is what really happens, I don't know.  It is true we
have not had any problems caused by our AS2 software, or by that of our
trading partners.

Howard Parks
1 Peter 4:10

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Jon Garniss
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 11:41 AM
To: Dale Marthaller; Ken Persing; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2

Speaking of the trading partner in Canada, I am wondering why Drummond
Certification is so important to them? I can do AS2 that follows the
protocol, yet because my software is not "Drummond Certified", they will
not allow us to use our software.

What's the big deal with Drummond Certification?

Speaking of the trading partner in Canada, I am wondering why Drummond
Certification is so important to them? I can do AS2 that follows the
protocol, yet because my software is not "Drummond Certified", they will
not allow us to use our software.

What's the big deal with Drummond Certification?



-----Original Message-----
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Dale Marthaller
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 12:33 PM
To: Ken Persing; 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2

As Ken and others have mentioned you and your trading partner do not
need to match receiving port numbers. I.e. you can receive on 4080 and
they on 5080.


Dale Marthaller (604) 461-6779

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Ken Persing
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:50 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2

Are you saying that the partner is telling you what port you need to
listen on?  Normally, the partner tells you what port you are supposed
to send to you and you tell them what port you listen on.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Earl Wertheimer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:28 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use
one of these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were
doing
AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
Any others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com




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As Ken and others have mentioned you and your trading partner do not
need to match receiving port numbers. I.e. you can receive on 4080 and
they on 5080.


Dale Marthaller (604) 461-6779

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Ken Persing
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:50 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2

Are you saying that the partner is telling you what port you need to
listen on?  Normally, the partner tells you what port you are supposed
to send to you and you tell them what port you listen on.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Earl Wertheimer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:28 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use
one of these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were
doing
AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
Any others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com




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I'm sorry but I'm a bit confused by your question. The port number is
determined and set on the receiving side and as such you supply this
port number to your trading partner who includes it in the connection
profile to your machine. I'm assuming that the five ports they have
listed are at their end you would include these in the connection
profile you use to connect to them. We only have one inbound port number
but our various trading partners use  5 or 6 different ports and we
didn't have to make any network or firewall changes at our end.


Dale Marthaller (604) 461-6779

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Earl Wertheimer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:28 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use
one of these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were
doing
AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
Any others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

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Hello  Earl,

Most AS2 Receivers (at least ours is :) are based on top of existing
Webserver or Servlet Engine Infrastructure. So you can easyly configure
the IIS/Apache/Tomcat Container to listen on multiple Ports.

Actually it is good if you can configure multiple Listeners in the
Software to separate Production from Test Data.

On the client site I asume all useable Software allows to use abritary
ports to connect to.

For a Hub it is adviceable to at least support the GS1 recommended Ports
as well as a smaller collection of Ports which are likely to be open in
Firewalls (especially including 80 + 443!). As outlined above, thats
less a Software issue and more a question on the System Landscape.

Gruss
Bernd
Chief Architect
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www.seeburger.com


Message 2
     From: "Earl Wertheimer" 
     Date: Wed May 10, 2006 7:22pm(PDT)
Subject: The Joys of AS2


A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use
one of
these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were
doing
AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
Any others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

Earl,

I don't think there will be any issue with these port numbers.

I believe the 5 Ports that Canadian retailer mentioned are their outbound
ports (80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080). But, they will be coming to a
particular Port on your system that you tell them to come to. Usually, this
Port is built into the URL itself.

For example, your URL can be http://b2b.vendor.com:4080/IP2
In this URL, you are asking your partner to come to only Port# 4080 and
your AS2 server will listen to only one port# 4080. And this will be the
same for all of your inbound partners.

Your AS2 software won't care from which Port the trading partner is coming
from, they can come from either 80 or 2080 or 9080 etc.

So, even if you have hundreds of trading partners it will not be an issue.

Let me know if I am missing something and you still think you will have
issues with these port numbers.

Thanks,
Kanchi




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A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use
one of
these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were
doing
AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
Any others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com




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Are you saying that the partner is telling you what port you need to
listen on?  Normally, the partner tells you what port you are supposed
to send to you and you tell them what port you listen on.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of
Earl Wertheimer
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 9:28 PM
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use
one of
these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were
doing
AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
Any others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com




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Setting up multiple receive ports should not be a difficult task,
depending on your software.

With the Free AS2 Connector (www.freeas2.com), you can host the
application in IIS and easily configure multiple receive ports.  If
BTrade doesn't support this, you could potentially use the Free AS2
connector to receive messages on other ports and proxy them.

The only real problem that I can foresee is having to reconfigure
firewalls to allow connections on those ports etc.

-Eric

--- In  Anders Tholén <lists1@...> wrote:
>
>
> >How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?
>
> In addition to a port redirect, as you mention, the alternative is
to set up
> your AS2 software to listen on multiple ports. How this is done
obviously
> depends on
> the AS2 software you use. In a software like webMethods, this is a
very
> simple task. Btrade/Click-commerce should be able to answer this
in your
> case.
>
> However, this is a typical example of when the lack of
standardisation on a
> detailed level makes life more difficult and integration more
expensive. For
> a
> protocol like AS2 this is normally addressed by industry groups
defining AS2
> implementation/usage/communication guidelines.
>
> GS1 (www.gs1.org) mention usage of port 4080 for receiving HTTP
messages and
> port 5443 to receive over HTTPS, in their AS2 communication
guidelines.
>
> "Recommendation 14 – HTTP and HTTP/S Port Numbers for AS2
> Receiving AS2 messages on a single port (for each protocol)
significantly
> minimizes operational complexities such as firewall set-up and
potential
> security exposures for both the sending and receiving partner.
Ideally, all
> AS2 partners would receive messages using the same port number.
However some
> AS2 partners have previously standardized to use a different port
number
> than others and changing to a new port number would add costs
without
> commensurate benefits.
> Therefore AS2 partners MAY standardize on the use of port 4080 to
receive
> HTTP messages and the use of port 5443 to receive HTTP/S (SSL)
messages."
>
> PIDX (www.pidx.org) have have defined an AS2 usage guide, but it's
not as
> detailed as GS1's:
> PIDX AS2 Usage Guideline:
> http://committees.api.org/business/pidx/standards.html
>
>
> Is anyone aware of other AS2 guidelines, specifying the details of
how to
> use AS2, eg what ports to use?
>
> From a sunny Stockholm.
>
> Anders Tholén
> Ferrologic AB
> www.ferrologic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  [mailto: On
Behalf Of Earl
> Wertheimer
> Sent: den 11 maj 2006 04:28
> To: 
> Subject: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2
>
>
> A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
> They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.
>
> They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(
>
> I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of
them use one
> of
> these ports.  The rest use other ports.
>
> This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients
were doing
>
> AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
> As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...
>
> We are using bTrade...
>
> The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question
is:
>
> How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?
>
> Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
> Any others?
>
> thanks
>
> Earl Wertheimer
> earlw@...
> http://www.spe-edi.com
>
>
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>How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

In addition to a port redirect, as you mention, the alternative is to set up
your AS2 software to listen on multiple ports. How this is done obviously
depends on
the AS2 software you use. In a software like webMethods, this is a very
simple task. Btrade/Click-commerce should be able to answer this in your
case.

However, this is a typical example of when the lack of standardisation on a
detailed level makes life more difficult and integration more expensive. For
a
protocol like AS2 this is normally addressed by industry groups defining AS2
implementation/usage/communication guidelines.

GS1 (www.gs1.org) mention usage of port 4080 for receiving HTTP messages and
port 5443 to receive over HTTPS, in their AS2 communication guidelines.

"Recommendation 14 – HTTP and HTTP/S Port Numbers for AS2
Receiving AS2 messages on a single port (for each protocol) significantly
minimizes operational complexities such as firewall set-up and potential
security exposures for both the sending and receiving partner. Ideally, all
AS2 partners would receive messages using the same port number. However some
AS2 partners have previously standardized to use a different port number
than others and changing to a new port number would add costs without
commensurate benefits.
Therefore AS2 partners MAY standardize on the use of port 4080 to receive
HTTP messages and the use of port 5443 to receive HTTP/S (SSL) messages."

PIDX (www.pidx.org) have have defined an AS2 usage guide, but it's not as
detailed as GS1's:
PIDX AS2 Usage Guideline:
http://committees.api.org/business/pidx/standards.html


Is anyone aware of other AS2 guidelines, specifying the details of how to
use AS2, eg what ports to use?

From a sunny Stockholm.

Anders Tholén
Ferrologic AB
www.ferrologic.com

-----Original Message-----
From:  [mailto: On Behalf Of Earl
Wertheimer
Sent: den 11 maj 2006 04:28
To: 
Subject: [EDI-L] The Joys of AS2


A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use one
of
these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were doing

AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
Any others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com




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Vijay

> Another solution would be to change the existing TP to the same port too “
will
> probably require to notify the first trading partner of the change but will
make
> maintenance much easier and simpler.

Yes, but that starts to be a problem when you have many AS2 partners.  What if
the first 5 partners were all flexible, and allowed port 8081 and the new
partner wants only 4080?  We would have to change 5 configurations in order to
satisfy #6 ;-(

Shan's reply also mentions another alternative - listening on multiple ports.
I'll have to see if the existing software can do that...

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com

A large retail chain up here in Canada is moving to AS2.
They have listed 5 useable ports - 80, 2080, 4080, 5080 & 9080.

They are also requiring Drummond Group certification ;-(

I looked at a list of our existing AS2 clients, and only 20% of them use one of
these ports.  The rest use other ports.

This has not been a problem in the past, since all of our clients were doing
AS2 with WalMart and possibly one other TP.
As additional hubs switch to AS2, this may become a problem...

We are using bTrade...

The AS2 server has to listen on a particular port, so my question is:

How do you accommodate multiple AS2 ports?

Doing a port redirect in the firewall/router is one option...
Any others?

thanks

Earl Wertheimer

http://www.spe-edi.com