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Network AdministratorSubject: SS 4.6 103t - 2 crashes in 6 hours
Author: Network Administrator
Date: 30 Apr 2003 09:17 AM
I am currently evaluating XML Schema and XSLT editors and will purchase one in the near future for an XML-based documentation project.

I had a long-list of 10, Stylus Studio has made it to the short list.
I like SS a lot more than some of the others, including XML Spy, BUT it has crashed on me twice already, which is not endearing.

I am pleased to see that there is an active bug-fixing effort going on, and your response to this posting may swing it in your favour.

Below are my evaluation notes and I include the log file as requested:

4. Sonic Stylus Studio 4.6
==========================

Overall
-------

Decision: Shortlist.
Notes: Meets principal requirements but has potential stability problem.

Bad Points:

1. Not stable. 2 fatal crashes in 6 hours with simple documents, plus Property window errors.
2. Too much typing when drop-down lists could be provided.
3. Lack of means to copy elements etc in Diagram view. Can't right-click/copy or ctrl-drag - very pre-Win95.
4. Doesn't actually create PDFs so slightly misleading blurb, even if technically accurate.

Good Points:

1. Clear interface.
2. Excellent help with good explanations and useful references to W3C docs.
3. Helpful validation error messages.
4. Validation is more thorough than XML Spy.
5. Clear Schema documentation output.
6. Fast. cf XML Spy is sluggish on 2GHz CPU.

Crashes
-------

30429a
Not sure what I did - right-clicked or right-dragged something I think.

30429b
Deleting a blank attribute in top half of Diagram view.
Shortly before the crash, the Property window seemed to lose its tabs.

===========
Struzzo.log
===========
//=====================================================
Date: Tue Apr 29 23:46:19 2003
Exception code: C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION
Fault address: 004E9406 01:00018406 F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\StylusHlp.dll

Registers:
EAX:0012FB60
EBX:056B4608
ECX:00000000
EDX:00000002
ESI:00000000
EDI:052A3784
CS:EIP:001B:004E9406
SS:ESP:0023:0012FB2C EBP:00000000
DS:0023 ES:0023 FS:003B GS:0000
Flags:00010216

Loaded modules:
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Struzzo.exe ver. 4.6 build 103t
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\ntdll.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\kernel32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\xmlengine.dll ver. 2, 1, 0 build
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\USER32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\GDI32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\ADVAPI32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\RPCRT4.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\xmlconvengine.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\xmlconvengine_data.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\MSVCRT.dll ver. 7.0.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSVCIRT.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\tls7012d.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSVCP60.dll ver. 6.00.8972.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\WININET.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\SHLWAPI.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\CRYPT32.dll ver. 5.131.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\MSASN1.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\OLEAUT32.dll ver. 3.50.5016.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\OLE32.DLL ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\VERSION.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\HHCTRL.OCX ver. 5.2.3664.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\SHELL32.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\WinSxS\X86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.10.0_x-ww_f7fb5805\COMCTL32.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\StCmn.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MFC42u.DLL ver. 6.0.400
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\SFL11ASU.dll ver. 1.1.000
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\comdlg32.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WINSPOOL.DRV ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\OT711ASU.dll ver. 7.1.100
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\OLEPRO32.DLL ver. 3.50
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSVFW32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WINMM.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\vc6-re200l.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\OG811ASU.dll ver. 8.11.000
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\oledlg.dll ver. 2.01
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\SmartEdit.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\OE611ASU.dll ver. 6.1.100
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\IMM32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\StPreview.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\StylusHlp.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\DBGHELP.dll ver. 5.00.2195.1
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\UxTheme.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WSOCK32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WS2_32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WS2HELP.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SynTPFcs.dll ver. 6.7.4 01Aug02
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SSSensor.dll ver. 5. 0. 0. 0 build
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\netapi32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\appHelp.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\CLBCATQ.DLL ver. 03.00.00.4414
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\COMRes.dll ver. 03.00.00.4414
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\shdocvw.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\Secur32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\urlmon.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SXS.DLL ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\shdoclc.dll ver. 6.00.2600.0000
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\mshtml.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MLANG.dll ver. 6.00.2600.0000
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\DbgMgr.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 103t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\debugger.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 103t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\Stylus.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 103t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\XmlEdit.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 103t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\xquery.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 013t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\icuin20.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\RASAPI32.DLL ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\rasman.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\TAPI32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\rtutils.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\USERENV.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\rsaenh.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1029
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\mswsock.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\DNSAPI.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\winrnr.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\WLDAP32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\sensapi.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\rasadhlp.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\iphlpapi.dll ver. 5.1.2600.2
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\wshtcpip.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\NTMARTA.DLL ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SAMLIB.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\itss.dll ver. 5.2.3644.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\msimtf.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSCTF.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSLS31.DLL ver. 3.10
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SETUPAPI.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\mshtmled.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\MPR.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\drprov.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\ntlanman.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\NETUI0.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\NETUI1.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\NETRAP.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\davclnt.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\cscui.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\CSCDLL.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\browseui.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\imgutil.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
f:\utils\Java2RE\bin\hotspot\jvm.dll
f:\utils\Java2RE\bin\hpi.dll
f:\utils\Java2RE\bin\verify.dll
f:\utils\Java2RE\bin\java.dll
f:\utils\Java2RE\bin\zip.dll
f:\utils\Java2RE\bin\jdwp.dll
f:\utils\java2re\bin\dt_socket.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\msxml3.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\jscript.dll ver. 5.6.0.6626
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\oleacc.dll

Call stack:
Address Function
0001:00018406 CXElement::getAttributeNode(0x12FB60)+6
Source file Y:\users\minollo\StruzzoVersions\4.5_BL103\StylusHlp\XParseDOM\XParseDOM.cpp, line 2972
0001:00018244 CXElement::getAttribute(0x12FB64,0x12FB60)+14
Source file Y:\users\minollo\StruzzoVersions\4.5_BL103\StylusHlp\XParseDOM\XParseDOM.cpp, line 2935
0001:00021ED4 CXXSDAttribute::isReference()+44
Source file Y:\users\minollo\StruzzoVersions\4.5_BL103\StylusHlp\XParseDOM\XParseXSDSchema.cpp, line 749
0001:00021D49 CXXSDAttribute::getAttributeName(0x12FBF0)+29
Source file Y:\users\minollo\StruzzoVersions\4.5_BL103\StylusHlp\XParseDOM\XParseXSDSchema.cpp, line 734
0001:0005B99C CxsdAttribute::GetName(0x12FBF0)+4C
Source file Y:\users\minollo\StruzzoVersions\4.5_BL103\XmlEdit\ScmaBase.cpp, line 4580
0001:0005BED8 CxsdAttribute::ReadProperties(0xFFFFFFFF,0x6856FCD6,0x52A3784)+78
Source file Y:\users\minollo\StruzzoVersions\4.5_BL103\XmlEdit\ScmaBase.cpp, line 4694
0001:00090E10 CreateErrorInfo+9DA4
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\XmlEdit.dll

//=====================================================
Date: Wed Apr 30 02:17:22 2003
Exception code: C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION
Fault address: 4C046F89 01:00045F89 F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\OT711ASU.dll

Registers:
EAX:00000000
EBX:00000000
ECX:00C8DD60
EDX:00000010
ESI:0000000C
EDI:00C8DD60
CS:EIP:001B:4C046F89
SS:ESP:0023:0012F080 EBP:0000000C
DS:0023 ES:0023 FS:003B GS:0000
Flags:00010246

Loaded modules:
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Struzzo.exe ver. 4.6 build 103t
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\ntdll.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\kernel32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\xmlengine.dll ver. 2, 1, 0 build
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\USER32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\GDI32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\ADVAPI32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\RPCRT4.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\xmlconvengine.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\xmlconvengine_data.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\MSVCRT.dll ver. 7.0.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSVCIRT.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\tls7012d.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSVCP60.dll ver. 6.00.8972.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\WININET.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\SHLWAPI.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\CRYPT32.dll ver. 5.131.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\MSASN1.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\OLEAUT32.dll ver. 3.50.5016.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\OLE32.DLL ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\VERSION.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\HHCTRL.OCX ver. 5.2.3664.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\SHELL32.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\WinSxS\X86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.10.0_x-ww_f7fb5805\COMCTL32.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\StCmn.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MFC42u.DLL ver. 6.0.400
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\SFL11ASU.dll ver. 1.1.000
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\comdlg32.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WINSPOOL.DRV ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\OT711ASU.dll ver. 7.1.100
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\OLEPRO32.DLL ver. 3.50
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSVFW32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WINMM.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\vc6-re200l.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\OG811ASU.dll ver. 8.11.000
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\oledlg.dll ver. 2.01
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\SmartEdit.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\OE611ASU.dll ver. 6.1.100
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\IMM32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\StPreview.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\StylusHlp.dll
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\DBGHELP.dll ver. 5.00.2195.1
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\UxTheme.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WSOCK32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WS2_32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\WS2HELP.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SynTPFcs.dll ver. 6.7.4 01Aug02
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SSSensor.dll ver. 5. 0. 0. 0 build
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\CLBCATQ.DLL ver. 03.00.00.4414
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\COMRes.dll ver. 03.00.00.4414
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\shdocvw.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\Secur32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SXS.DLL ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\shdoclc.dll ver. 6.00.2600.0000
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\urlmon.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\mshtml.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MLANG.dll ver. 6.00.2600.0000
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\DbgMgr.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 103t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\debugger.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 103t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\Stylus.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 103t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\XmlEdit.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 103t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\Plugins\xquery.dll ver. 4.6.0 build 013t
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\icuin20.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\RASAPI32.DLL ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\rasman.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\NETAPI32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\TAPI32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\rtutils.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\USERENV.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\rsaenh.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1029
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SETUPAPI.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\MPR.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\drprov.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\ntlanman.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\NETUI0.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\NETUI1.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\NETRAP.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\SAMLIB.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\davclnt.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\appHelp.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\cscui.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\CSCDLL.dll ver. 5.1.2600.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\NTMARTA.DLL ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\system32\WLDAP32.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\itss.dll ver. 5.2.3644.0
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\msimtf.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSCTF.dll ver. 5.1.2600.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\MSLS31.DLL ver. 3.10
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\mshtmled.dll ver. 6.00.2800.1106
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\msi.dll
F:\WINXPPRO\System32\actxprxy.dll ver. 6.00.2600.0000

Call stack:
Address Function
0001:00045F89 Ordinal14340+49
F:\APPS\StylusStudio\bin\OT711ASU.dll


DocumentStruzzo(161).log
Struzzo.log after 2 crashes on 29.Apr.03
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Minollo I.Subject: Re: SS 4.6 103t - 2 crashes in 6 hours
Author: Minollo I.
Date: 30 Apr 2003 09:34 AM
Thanks; we are looking into the problems you have reported.

BTW do you have more information about this point you mention:

>...
>2. Too much typing when drop-down lists could be provided.
>...

Thanks,
Minollo

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Network AdministratorSubject: Re: SS 4.6 103t - 2 crashes in 6 hours
Author: Network Administrator
Date: 30 Apr 2003 04:26 PM
RE Lack of drop-down menus:

Attached is a simple example. I have started to create an element (in Diagram view) consisting of a sequence of elements. I have defined the global element and the modifier and am in the process of creating the first of the sequential elements, which will be a reference to an element that already exists.

In SS 4.6 I have to type the name, in XML Spy 5 for example I can choose an existing element from the list presented. I noticed this inconvenience in several other places although I didn't make a specific note of them. It stood out particularly because XML Spy was the previous editor I was using.

I have created the same scenario in both and attach screenshots from both to demonstrate.

Something else I noticed was that the move up/down buttons are disabled in this view for global elements - it would be very useful to be able to change their order without having to cut/paste the code. I don't really want to touch the code if a click will do the job for me. Alphabetically by type would be good...


ImageLackOfDropDown.png
SS 4.6 lacks drop-down menu

ImageHasDropDown.png
XML Spy 5 has drop down
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Ivan PedruzziSubject: RE: SS 4.6 103t - 2 crashes in 6 hours
Author: Ivan Pedruzzi
Date: 30 Apr 2003 05:33 PM
> RE Lack of drop-down menus:
>
> Attached is a simple example. I have started to create an
> element (in Diagram view) consisting of a sequence of
> elements. I have defined the global element and the modifier
> and am in the process of creating the first of the sequential
> elements, which will be a reference to an element that
> already exists.
>
> In SS 4.6 I have to type the name, in XML Spy 5 for example I
> can choose an existing element from the list presented. I
> noticed this inconvenience in several other places although I
> didn't make a specific note of them. It stood out
> particularly because XML Spy was the previous editor I was using.
>
> I have created the same scenario in both and attach
> screenshots from both to demonstrate.
>

For sure there is space for improvements here.

> Something else I noticed was that the move up/down buttons
> are disabled in this view for global elements - it would be
> very useful to be able to change their order without having
> to cut/paste the code. I don't really want to touch the code
> if a click will do the job for me. Alphabetically by type
> would be good...

The global definitions's list reflects the document order,
we didn't implement the sorting by design, but you can use the "Find"
command
in the list as well as in the Diagram.

Thank You to spend time with the tool and sending to us your feedbacks,
we really appreciate.

Ivan


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